What I Think Dallas could do MOCK (rounds 1-5)

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

We have Victor Butler and we could draft someone else in the 3-4th round. While it is a weak OLB draft, there are lots of DE prospects that could make the transition. Go look up Chandler Jones from Syracuse. He could be had in the 3rd round.

Going into free agency, here's how I would assess our needs:

1. Cornerback
2. Offensive Guard
3. Free Safety
4. OLB
5. ILB
6. Fullback
7. TE
8. Pass catching RB

Butler will get killed vs the run and Butler was banking on a 3rd or 4th rounder to be good soon is a big gamble. We need a true 3-4 OLB now.
Go look at all the good OLBs and tell me where they were drafted. Not to many 3rd or 4th rounders.
I say if we let SPencer walk then why downgrade, lets upgrade that position.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

Butler will get killed vs the run and Butler was banking on a 3rd or 4th rounder to be good soon is a big gamble. We need a true 3-4 OLB now.
Go look at all the good OLBs and tell me where they were drafted. Not to many 3rd or 4th rounders.
I say if we let SPencer walk then why downgrade, lets upgrade that position.

There is no upgrade for Spencer for a true 3-4 OLB. That's why I have been saying re-sign him all along.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Ingram's short arms concerns me. If Upshaw turns out to be a Lamarr Woodley type player, I'll take that every time.

and if he doesn't, short arms, they aren't that short, his arms just aren't super long. Length of arms is stupid to worry about. Ingram is a better pro player than Upshaw. Ingram will go before Upshaw in the draft. If INgram isn't there and we sign Nicks then I say drop back and get Hightower or Burfict, both have better explosion than Upshaw.

Both came in at under 6-foot-2 and more than 270 pounds with short arms. In the 2007 draft, the same thing happened to LaMarr Woodley and he dropped to the second round. But tape doesn't lie. Woodley proved it was unwise to pass on him and he's developed into one of the best 3-4 linebackers in the NFL. The same could happen to Upshaw and Ingram.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

There is no upgrade for Spencer for a true 3-4 OLB. That's why I have been saying re-sign him all along.

I don't know about that, I think you can find a OLB in the 1st that will give you the same thing SPencer gave us last year and has alot better upside.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

I don't know about that, I think you can find a OLB in the 1st that will give you the same thing SPencer gave us last year and has alot better upside.

Go look at Anthony Spencer's draft profile and compare it to all the OLB/DE tweener's in this draft. He had all the upside in the world. I'll stick with the one I know versus the history of offensive guards getting drafted in the 1st round and the hit and miss of linebackers in the first round.

Kind of like the last one the Cowboys drafted in the first round prior to Spencer.

[ABQCOWBOY]

This Jonathan Massaquoi kid is interesting. He's a kid that I would not mind taking a look at a little later.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

Go look at Anthony Spencer's draft profile and compare it to all the OLB/DE tweener's in this draft. He had all the upside in the world. I'll stick with the one I know versus the history of offensive guards getting drafted in the 1st round and the hit and miss of linebackers in the first round.

Kind of like the last one the Cowboys drafted in the first round prior to Spencer.

Is that why he feel to the 28th spot in the 1st and if Dallas wouldn't have traded up to get him he would have went early 2nd. I need to know his draft profile, I know what he was in and what he turned into.

I don't want to over pay for Spencer, I can use that money at OL or CB.
Melvin Ingram, Donta Hightower, and Vontaze Burfict I think can do everything Spencer did last year for a much lower price.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

Go look at Anthony Spencer's draft profile and compare it to all the OLB/DE tweener's in this draft. He had all the upside in the world. I'll stick with the one I know versus the history of offensive guards getting drafted in the 1st round and the hit and miss of linebackers in the first round.

Kind of like the last one the Cowboys drafted in the first round prior to Spencer.

Part of that will depend on what Spencers asking price will be. I don't think Dallas should pay him top money and if that is the case then I would look to the draft. As for upside what upside does Spencer provide? if he has not progressed yet there is no upside left

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

and if he doesn't, short arms, they aren't that short, his arms just aren't super long. Length of arms is stupid to worry about. Ingram is a better pro player than Upshaw. Ingram will go before Upshaw in the draft. If INgram isn't there and we sign Nicks then I say drop back and get Hightower or Burfict, both have better explosion than Upshaw.

Both came in at under 6-foot-2 and more than 270 pounds with short arms. In the 2007 draft, the same thing happened to LaMarr Woodley and he dropped to the second round. But tape doesn't lie. Woodley proved it was unwise to pass on him and he's developed into one of the best 3-4 linebackers in the NFL. The same could happen to Upshaw and Ingram.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

Is that why he feel to the 28th spot in the 1st and if Dallas wouldn't have traded up to get him he would have went early 2nd. I need to know his draft profile, I know what he was in and what he turned into.

I don't want to over pay for Spencer, I can use that money at OL or CB.
Melvin Ingram, Donta Hightower, and Vontaze Burfict I think can do everything Spencer did last year for a much lower price.

So we're going to draft a Spencer clone over a 10 year starter at offensive guard? No thanks. We can find someone who can do what Spencer does in a platoon with Butler.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

do you not have words to explain yourself, do you have anything to back up your statement.
I'm not crazy about Upshaw and I have read where alot of people feel the same. He has had a good senior bowl but no where near great.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Part of that will depend on what Spencers asking price will be. I don't think Dallas should pay him top money and if that is the case then I would look to the draft. As for upside what upside does Spencer provide? if he has not progressed yet there is no upside left

If he wants Calvin Pace money, don't re-sign him. I should've been more clear about that.

Spencer is still relatively young and he has been solid. I have issues with the fact that he gave up in the season, but I still like what he offers the team.

If we draft a OLB, I don't have a problem with it, I just think there is more value with DeCastro.

[reddyuta]

I dont think they will re-sign Spencer and its not worth it either.He is a mediocre pass rusher at best but some 3-4 will make a big offer for him-atleast 55 million and we can get similar production from our first rd pick for the fraction of that cost.we need to use our FA money to get a new center and a guard,we cannot waste another Tony romo year.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

So we're going to draft a Spencer clone over a 10 year starter at offensive guard? No thanks. We can find someone who can do what Spencer does in a platoon with Butler.

no you can't becasue Butler can't do what Spencer does.
I never said who you draft will be a Spencer clone. I said you can draft a player that atleast does what Spencer does, but I expect them to be much better.

You would take a OG at 14 when you need a starting OLB and CB. I can find a starting OG in the 2nd or 3rd alot easier than I can a CB or OLB.
Look at how many CBs and OLBs go in the 1st and how many OGs go. That just shows how teams value those positions.

I can sign NIcks with the money I save by letting Spencer walk and Nicks is far and away better than any OG in this draft right now.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

do you not have words to explain yourself, do you have anything to back up your statement.
I'm not crazy about Upshaw and I have read where alot of people feel the same. He has had a good senior bowl but no where near great.

Put it this way. I'll trust Mike Mayock's opinion that Upshaw is the #1 OLB in the draft over supercowboy8.

I find it hilarious that you stated "Ingram is a better pro player than Upshaw" WHEN THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED A DOWN IN THE NFL.

Good God.