What I Think Dallas could do MOCK (rounds 1-5)

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

no you can't becasue Butler can't do what Spencer does.
I never said who you draft will be a Spencer clone. I said you can draft a player that atleast does what Spencer does, but I expect them to be much better.

You would take a OG at 14 when you need a starting OLB and CB. I can find a starting OG in the 2nd or 3rd alot easier than I can a CB or OLB.
Look at how many CBs and OLBs go in the 1st and how many OGs go. That just shows how teams value those positions.

I can sign NIcks with the money I save by letting Spencer walk and Nicks is far and away better than any OG in this draft right now.

I understand what you're saying.

Nicks contract would leave us hamstrung in my opinion and I think we can find cornerbacks through free agency, as well as a free safety. I like the idea of getting younger on the offensive line with Kosier probably leaving. I looked up the OLB and you're right, the majority of all-pro linebackers get drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Just the fact there is so many of them linked to us, I don't know which one I would like them to draft. My gut tells me Ingram, but I haven't looked at them enough because I've been so stuck on us drafting DeCastro.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

I understand what you're saying.

Nicks contract would leave us hamstrung in my opinion and I think we can find cornerbacks through free agency, as well as a free safety. I like the idea of getting younger on the offensive line with Kosier probably leaving. I looked up the OLB and you're right, the majority of all-pro linebackers get drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Just the fact there is so many of them linked to us, I don't know which one I would like them to draft. My gut tells me Ingram, but I haven't looked at them enough because I've been so stuck on us drafting DeCastro.

how will Nicks leave us hamstrung? you can back load a contract but lets say we sign him as the highest OG ever which will be just over 8 a year and we pay 8 million this year. Dallas will have 20-22 in cap space. so 20-8 would leave Dallas with 12 millin in cap space left. How does that leave a team hamstrung? Take another 4 million away for drafted players and you still have 8 million in cap space.
Also like I said you can sign players to a 1 million salary but give them a big big signing bonus which can keep you cap low for this year and not hurt you.

Teams know how they can manipulate the cap and over sign players. Signing Nicks will not Hamstring the cowboys in any way.

also in your Mock Brewster is playing awful in the senior bowl. They are putting Zietler at Center becasue Brewster keeps getting blown up. Might want to change that.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

how will Nicks leave us hamstrung? you can back load a contract but lets say we sign him as the highest OG ever which will be just over 8 a year and we pay 8 million this year. Dallas will have 20-22 in cap space. so 20-8 would leave Dallas with 12 millin in cap space left. How does that leave a team hamstrung? Take another 4 million away for drafted players and you still have 8 million in cap space.
Also like I said you can sign players to a 1 million salary but give them a big big signing bonus which can keep you cap low for this year and not hurt you.

Teams know how they can manipulate the cap and over sign players. Signing Nicks will not Hamstring the cowboys in any way.

also in your Mock Brewster is playing awful in the senior bowl. They are putting Zietler at Center becasue Brewster keeps getting blown up. Might want to change that.

I don't like giving him a big contract, I would rather the Cowboys draft and develop their players. Of course they need to sign free agents where necessary, but I think that'll be on defense with our secondary issues.

So I should change my imaginary mock draft on one all-star game versus a career of consistent starts? No thanks. I didn't know CowboysZone had Mel Kiper on the boards.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Put it this way. I'll trust Mike Mayock's opinion that Upshaw is the #1 OLB in the draft over supercowboy8.

I find it hilarious that you stated "Ingram is a better pro player than Upshaw" WHEN THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED A DOWN IN THE NFL.

Good God.

Pro prospect is what I mean. I will go by what I see when I watch games and not just listen to some guy because he is on TV.
Also there are also many other ex NFL scouts and coaches that like Ingram more than Upshaw. But you listen to Mayock, I guess he has never been wrong. Why don't you check out his top 5s from 2011 and 2010 and see how right he was.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

I don't like giving him a big contract, I would rather the Cowboys draft and develop their players. Of course they need to sign free agents where necessary, but I think that'll be on defense with our secondary issues.

So I should change my imaginary mock draft on one all-star game versus a career of consistent starts? No thanks.

Oh yeah I would rather build through the draft but with your best players getting at the end of the careers and you in a need to win now mode, you don't have time for a 4th rounder to develop. Thats why we need to be liek Housotn and San Fran last year.
Go out and get the player you need in FA and early in the draft.

[SDogo]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

3rd round:

Brandon Boykin, Georgia, CB

I like Boykin because he's physical, and is a solid punt and kickoff returner, something the Cowboys need badly. I still expect a veteran CB to be signed.

Also a player the Cowboys are meeting with.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

Pro prospect is what I mean. I will go by what I see when I watch games and not just listen to some guy because he is on TV.
Also there are also many other ex NFL scouts and coaches that like Ingram more than Upshaw. But you listen to Mayock, I guess he has never been wrong. Why don't you check out his top 5s from 2011 and 2010 and see how right he was.

Some guy lol. Mayock is highly regarded in the league and by scouts, but I'll take your word for it. You have credentials as well. Oh wait, no...you don't. I'm not wasting my time with someone who embraces conflict. I'm sticking to my opinion, and you can stick to yours, but don't make ridiculous comments like Ingram is a better pro prospect than Upshaw. This is CLEARLY an opinion, so don't try and make your questionable opinions seem like facts, when they are FAR from it.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

If he wants Calvin Pace money, don't re-sign him. I should've been more clear about that.

Spencer is still relatively young and he has been solid. I have issues with the fact that he gave up in the season, but I still like what he offers the team.

If we draft a OLB, I don't have a problem with it, I just think there is more value with DeCastro.

I am on board with DeCastro as well and some other I like in the 1st rd well one of them is Upshaw as well as Ingram. I'm open to these guys because one we don't know how the draft will fall and 2 if Spencer leaves then OLB in a 3-4 defense gets to be pretty important area to fill. So say Dallas went with Upshaw then came back with Zietler on the next pick I can't say I would be upset.

I also should have added what we do in FA will play a big part as well.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by SDogo

Also a player the Cowboys are meeting with.

Boykin will go in the 2nd round.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

Boykin will go in the 2nd round.

Let's see what happens at the combine. A lot can change after that.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I am on board with DeCastro as well and some other I like in the 1st rd well one of them is Upshaw as well as Ingram. I'm open to these guys because one we don't know how the draft will fall and 2 if Spencer leaves then OLB in a 3-4 defense gets to be pretty important area to fill. So say Dallas went with Upshaw then came back with Zietler on the next pick I can't say I would be upset.

I also should have added what we do in FA will play a big part as well.

I wouldn't be opposed to it either, but we're just now hearing about Zeitler. DeCastro played in a pro style offense and blocked for one of the best pro-ready QBs in the history of college football. Like I said earlier, I've been saying we need to re-sign Spencer because of his run support and familiarity with scheme. We can find a pass rusher to develop that can rotate in our front 7 on passing downs later in the draft.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Let's see what happens at the combine. A lot can change after that.

He's one of the fastest CBs in the draft. I'm about to pull the numbers of CBs drafted within the first 2 rounds over the past 5 years.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Some guy lol. Mayock is highly regarded in the league and by scouts, but I'll take your word for it. You have credentials as well. Oh wait, no...you don't. I'm not wasting my time with someone who embraces conflict. I'm sticking to my opinion, and you can stick to yours, but don't make ridiculous comments like Ingram is a better pro prospect than Upshaw. This is CLEARLY an opinion, so don't try and make your questionable opinions seem like facts, when they are FAR from it.

Yeah very highly regarded thats why he isn;t a scout for a team.

Also you mention his top 5 LB, but he doesn't even have Ingram as a LB and has INgram as the #2 DE. So who knows if he would put Ingram ahead of Upshaw.
I would.

Wes Bunting has Hightower 14th overall, Ingram 23rd, and Upshaw at 35th overall.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

I wouldn't be opposed to it either, but we're just now hearing about Zeitler. DeCastro played in a pro style offense and blocked for one of the best pro-ready QBs in the history of college football. Like I said earlier, I've been saying we need to re-sign Spencer because of his run support and familiarity with scheme. We can find a pass rusher to develop that can rotate in our front 7 on passing downs later in the draft.

Re-signing Spencer is settling for mediocrity IMO.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

Yeah very highly regarded thats why he isn;t a scout for a team.

Also you mention his top 5 LB, but he doesn't even have Ingram as a LB and has INgram as the #2 DE. So who knows if he would put Ingram ahead of Upshaw.
I would.

Maybe this should tell you who Mayock sees as a rush outside LB...

By the way, Mayock has turned down positions with NFL teams before. I guess Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher are c***** coaches because they don't work for NFL teams right now also.