Kiper Big Board 1/25/12....

[RS12]

Originally Posted by JackWagon

LSU DT? Spears starter kit?

USC OT? Jacob Rogers starter kit? Ridiculous, everybody is their own case.

[newlander]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Thanks, man.

If I'm targeting Still or Worthy, then I'm looking to trade down. I'm only staying at 14 if I'm getting an elite T/G or OLB.

There just isn't a DT in this draft that I think is worth more than a trade down and accumulating more picks.

.....sloppy post by me initially: we would trade down to 20ish to get WOrthy and get an extra what..........2nd or 3rd rounder? That could work: I notice Kuiper has Cox,Brockers,and Poe ALL ahead of WOrthy: do you agree with that? (full disclosure: I'm not a big Mel Kuiper fan)

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Does anyone have any footage of DeCastro going up against a top defensive tackle? The only top DT prospect I can find in the the Pac 10 was Ta'amu (who's currently ranked as the 12th best DT on CBSSportsline), and reportedly DeCastro rarely faced off against him when they played. The next best Pac 10 DT I see listed is Nate Chandler, the 48th ranked DT in the draft who is probably undrafted free agent caliber.

If you're taking a guard with a Top 15 pick, don't you want to see him a few times lined up helmet to helmet against NFL caliber DT/NG talent and bulldoze him? Especially a guy who doesn't have the biggest frame in the world. If I'm drafting an offensive guard with a Top 15 pick, I want to know I can run right up his butt on a 3rd and 1 and he's going to cave in his side of the line and push the line of scrimmage forwards ... not merely get a decent seal block on his assigned guy.

I guess all the pro scouts that have been drooling about him are full of crap, eh?

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

I guess all the pro scouts that have been drooling about him are full of crap, eh?

No. They're not full of crap. That would imply they're lying. They're merely projecting, in the absence of proof on film, that he's going to be able move 320 lbs. NFL caliber defensive tackles and nose guards. I guess for some people projections are good enough. When we're talking about drafting a non premium position with a Top 15 pick, I would prefer proof on film. When scouts are asked to blindly project they have a pretty shaky history.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

No. They're not full of crap. That would imply they're lying. They're merely projecting, in the absence of proof on film, that he's going to be able move 320 lbs. NFL caliber defensive tackles and nose guards. I guess for some people projections are good enough. When we're talking about drafting a non premium position with a Top 15 pick, I would prefer proof on film. When scouts are asked to blindly project they have a pretty shaky history.

why would they say this if they had not seen him do it?

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

why would they say this if they had not seen him do it?

Reference?

Obviously you and the scouts have seen him take on an NFL caliber DT that I haven't. Which one? I haven't found any. I went up and down his schedule and I can't find any opponents with an NFL caliber DT other than when he played UW, and he rarely matched up against Taamu.

I'm sincerely asking. I would love to see if there's any footage of it on Youtube if it's out there. Just a name would be great. Thanks in advance.

[Picksix]

I think that's often the case, though, that a player doesn't necessarily see great competition through the year, especially at small schools. I mean, who did Demarcus go up against when he was playing at Troy? Yeah, you love having a good amount of tape of someone going against top competition, but outside the SEC or Big Ten, I don't know how much it happens.

[The Realist]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Does anyone have any footage of DeCastro going up against a top defensive tackle? The only top DT prospect I can find in the the Pac 10 was Ta'amu (who's currently ranked as the 12th best DT on CBSSportsline), and reportedly DeCastro rarely faced off against him when they played. The next best Pac 10 DT I see listed is Nate Chandler, the 48th ranked DT in the draft who is probably undrafted free agent caliber.

If you're taking a guard with a Top 15 pick, don't you want to see him a few times lined up helmet to helmet against NFL caliber DT/NG talent and bulldoze him? Especially a guy who doesn't have the biggest frame in the world. If I'm drafting an offensive guard with a Top 15 pick, I want to know I can run right up his butt on a 3rd and 1 and he's going to cave in his side of the line and push the line of scrimmage forwards ... not merely get a decent seal block on his assigned guy.

Harris from USC.

Can't fault him for comp.......who is Luck throwing against. How many elite pass rushers of Kalil or Martin gone against. Which elite CB's did Dez or Blackmon go against? Name the elite WR's Revis went against in the Big East.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Reference?

Obviously you and the scouts have seen him take on an NFL caliber DT that I haven't. Which one? I haven't found any. I went up and down his schedule and I can't find any opponents with an NFL caliber DT other than when he played UW, and he rarely matched up against Taamu.

I'm sincerely asking. I would love to see if there's any footage of it on Youtube if it's out there. Just a name would be great. Thanks in advance.

I think you make a good point.

I'm starting to think that about anyone on the Alabama defense. You had a collection of very good players (but maybe not the best NFL players) who lined up against mostly poor offenses and looked good doing it.

[Displaced Cowboy]

Best DT's that Decastro might have faced you probably want to go back a season. See if you can find anything from their game against Oregon State if he went up against Stephen Paea. Also look for last years USC game for Jurrell Casey.

[Gaede]

Interesting points, re: Decastro. Certainly something to think about.

[burmafrd]

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http://nflsfuture.com/2012/01/03/201...cap/#more-4997

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012OG.php

http://nfldraftseason.com/2012-nfl-d...uard-rankings/

http://draftcountdown.com/blog/NFL-Draft-Blog.php

here are a few that really like Decastro