DeCastro at 14 is stupid - Page 6 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

cbow44 · 02-05-2012

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Originally Posted by RS12

Next year as another year of the Romo window closes, who is the surest thing to make an impact? Brockers, Perry or DeCastro? Obviously it is DeCastro he has started and played at a high level on one of the best programs in the country for the last 3 years. The other two not nearly as much. BTW sign Mario Williams who also is sure thing to make an impact it solves the other problem. Further more Bunting has DeCastro listed as 6th best prospect in the draft. Way too many people here are all wrapped up in what Free is getting paid. Put your best 5 people out there and make it work.

So LSU and USC are not high level programs ? Your right Brockers and Perry are underclassmen so they havent played at a high level for as long. And you get me Mario Williams I'll be turning cartwheels.

realtick · 02-05-2012

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Originally Posted by cbow44

I see you worked really hard on this and I'm not knocking DeCastro I think he is a really good player. But I quit looking after 6 links, all you showed were a bunch of fourms like this one. I have just about every draft site in my favorite places and I look at them all most every night. All agree he is a high pick. I'm saying their are other players we need to consider. Every year after the combine and senior bowl and all of the amatuer draft guys get to mingle with the the real scouts and you see a shuffling of their boards. At this time last year you didnt really hear anything about Aldon Smith or J.J. Watt as being top 10 picks. The same will hold true this year. After the Combine DeCastro may be considered a top 10 talent but so may Brockers or Perry. If the talent is equal I want someone who can help Ware put pressure on the QB. You guys would rather have Romo better protected. that dosent mean we dont care about Romo's health. It simply means I'm tired of some of this teams [View Full Quote]

So really what you're saying is you haven't seen DeCastro or Brockers play that much at all, and you need to be convinced by some hypberbole off a scouting report to tell who is better?

RS12 · 02-05-2012

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Originally Posted by cbow44

So LSU and USC are not high level programs ? Your right Brockers and Perry are underclassmen so they havent played at a high level for as long. And you get me Mario Williams I'll be turning cartwheels.

DeCastro played at a high level as a freshmen and every year till this his Junior season. Perry didnt do much until this year. Brockers similar situation. Not saying they wont pan out. I am surest about the combination of DeCastro and Williams. How many more years do you thnk this core plays at a high level? 1st rounder needs to make an impact this year.

realtick · 02-05-2012

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Originally Posted by RS12

DeCastro played at a high level as a freshmen and every year till this his Junior season. Perry didnt do much until this year. Brockers similar situation. Not saying they wont pan out. I am surest about the combination of DeCastro and Williams. How many more years do you thnk this core plays at a high level? 1st rounder needs to make an impact this year.

I find it funny that likely 999 out of 1000 didn't know who Michael Brockers was until just a few weeks ago. Yet, now he's this absolute must have prospect all of a sudden.

He wasn't even on the radar of most professional scouting services for this draft because most assumed he would be staying for at least one more season.

I was more bummed that Brockers teammate Sam Montgomery DE/OLB didn't come out for this draft. I'd love to throw that guy into the passrush mix.

cbow44 · 02-05-2012

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Originally Posted by realtick

So really what you're saying is you haven't seen DeCastro or Brockers play that much at all, you need to be convinced by some hypberbole off a scouting report.

jeez where did I say I havent seen them play. And yes, I want to see what the real experts say about them. Certainly not ashamed of that. I guess you dont look at all the draft sites and take their opinions into consideration. Do all your own film work and breakdown, more power to you.

realtick · 02-05-2012

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So really what you're saying is you haven't seen DeCastro or Brockers play that much at all, you need to be convinced by some hypberbole off a scouting report.[/quote

jeez where did I say I havent seen them play. And yes, I want to see what the real experts say about them. Certainly not ashamed of that. I guess you dont look at all the draft sites and take their opinions into consideration. Do all your own film work and breakdown, more power to you.

Okay, my bad.

I only assume you hadn't seen much of them if you really are relying on the word draft pundits (not scouts) to determine what you're supposedly seeing for yourself. I mean, if you're so fickle that you need to hear an "expert" make a one-to-one comparison between Hutchinson and DeCastro before you think he's the real deal, then....I don't know.

So, are you really telling me in all honesty that you've known of Michael Brockers all season long and have focused in on him during LSU games?

cbow44 · 02-05-2012

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Originally Posted by realtick

I find it funny that likely 999 out of 1000 didn't know who Michael Brockers was until just a few weeks ago. Yet, now he's this absolute must have prospect all of a sudden.

He wasn't even on the radar of most professional scouting services for this draft because most assumed he would be staying for at least one more season.

I was more bummed that Brockers teammate Sam Montgomery DE/OLB didn't come out for this draft. I'd love to throw that guy into the passrush mix.

I went back and looked and cant find anyone who said he was a must have. Just another option to look at. But hey dont let the truth get in the way of another post.

cbow44 · 02-05-2012

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Originally Posted by cbow44

Okay, my bad.

I only assume you hadn't seen much of them if you really are relying on the word draft pundits (not scouts) to determine what you're supposedly seeing for yourself. I mean, if you're so fickle that you need to hear an "expert" make a one-to-one comparison between Hutchinson and DeCastro before you think he's the real deal, then....I don't know.

So, are you really telling me in all honesty that you've known of Michael Brockers all season long and have focused in on him during LSU games?

No I didnt, I didnt see Jenkins play in one single game this year either or a dozen other players , I depend on scouting reports on them. I depend on the senior bowl and the combine to seperate people and the experts to tell me why one is better than the other. you act like you dont do the same thing.

realtick · 02-05-2012

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Originally Posted by cbow44

I went back and looked and cant find anyone who said he was a must have. Just another option to look at. But hey dont let the truth get in the way of another post.

Sweet.

While you're searching for that, please point out where I claimed someone specifically said "Brockers is a must have."

Irony....it always manifests fast and quick on the unassuming.

realtick · 02-05-2012

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No I didnt, I didnt see Jenkins play in one single game this year either or a dozen other players , I depend on scouting reports on them. I depend on the senior bowl and the combine to seperate people and the experts to tell me why one is better than the other. you act like you dont do the same thing.

So wait, just earlier you objected when I said you hadn't really watched the players in question play, yet now you're admitting that you hadn't watched them play, but depend on the scouting reports.

Game over.

Yeah, I'll read a scouting report from a trusted source, but I'm also aware of the prospects each year that are coming out and actually watch the games, recording them and come to my own conclusions.

cbow44 · 02-05-2012

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So wait, just earlier you objected when I said you hadn't really watched the players in question play, yet now you're admitting that you hadn't watched them play, but depend on the scouting reports.

Game over.

Yeah, I'll read a scouting report from a trusted source, but I'm also aware of the prospects each year that are coming out and actually watch the games, recording them and come to my own conclusions.[/quote

I have you figured out now. when you cant win the debate attack the poster. have at it. I have see enough of your posts to know when it comes to actual facts your not very good.

realtick · 02-05-2012

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Originally Posted by cbow44

I have you figured out now. when you cant win the debate attack the poster. have at it. I have see enough of your posts to know when it comes to actual facts your not very good.

Loooool, so I literally just pointed out what you actually said and that's an attack, and not the "actual facts."

Nice out.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-06-2012

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

he has by far fewer question marks then anyone else likely to be there. He fits a position of great need. Not sure why anyone really does not get that?

According to you Burm. The fact is, he has not tested and until that happens, it's pretty much popular opinion on this player.

Be introspective and look at what you are basing your opinions on. Are you saying that you base your opinions on what you know to be true or are you saying that you think this is true?

I think this is a deep draft at the guard position. I will wait to see what the combine and scouts say.

realtick · 02-06-2012

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Originally Posted by cbow44

If DeCastro is truly the best guard prospect to come along since Steve Hutchinson. A potential hall of fame player then he is hands down the choice. The problem I have, I havent seen that written by anyone other than the posters on here.

Lookie what I found here:

"The best guard coming out since Steve Hutchinson in 2001. DeCastro is intense, explosive, patient, and has excellent recoverability in pass protection."

From Ourlads http://www.ourlads.com/top-32-colleg...t/2012/1178241

You can now have peace of mind knowing that some draft website has said DeCastro and Hutchinson in the same breath.

cruz_aedo861 · 02-06-2012

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Originally Posted by realtick

Lookie what I found here:

"The best guard coming out since Steve Hutchinson in 2001. DeCastro is intense, explosive, patient, and has excellent recoverability in pass protection."

From Ourlads http://www.ourlads.com/top-32-colleg...t/2012/1178241

You can now have peace of mind knowing that some draft website has said DeCastro and Hutchinson in the same breath.

pwned great job realtick always enjoy your post and insight.

as much as i like decastro the player i most covet in this draft is janoris jenkins. i grade him higher than morris claiborne and would jump all over him at 14 regardless of the issues. but i dont see that happening.

hey realtick do you see us picking up either tyler hansen (colorado) or aaron corp (richmond)as a udfa. or brock oswiler falling to 4th which i dont see happening