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[Sitting Bull]

I don't want to trade out of the first round but Trumaine Johnson is a player and I'd love to get him with our second rounder.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by AKATheRake

No offense, but yuck if this is what we would do in this draft.

You could insert the CB and OG you want at the top of the 2nd. I think Dallas wants very physical CBs so that's why I went with those picks at CB. I'd prefer Brandon Boykin and Casey Heyward myself.

As for the OG I like Brooks. Zeitler, Glenn and DeCastro will be off the board. The other guy I like is Silatolu but I prefer Brooks. I would have no qualms with Silatolu.

[RS12]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

You could insert the CB and OG you want at the top of the 2nd. I think Dallas wants very physical CBs so that's why I went with those picks at CB. I'd prefer Brandon Boykin and Casey Heyward myself.

As for the OG I like Brooks. Zeitler, Glenn and DeCastro will be off the board. The other guy I like is Silatolu but I prefer Brooks. I would have no qualms with Silatolu.

I'd be happy with your scenario, and a chance to pick up maybe Logan Thomas next year.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Sitting Bull

I don't want to trade out of the first round but Trumaine Johnson is a player and I'd love to get him with our second rounder.

We wouldn't be so much trading out of the first round as much as we would be deferring our first round pick until next year. My hope is we luck out with a top 10 pick to grab a QB or an impact player.

My problem with this year's pick is that we miss out on all the impact players this year because it lacks top-end talent. OTOH, it has lots of depth. So instead of drafting for the draft that you want (an impact player with the first pick) draft for the draft that you have (deep). So you trade down a whole bunch of stockpile picks in rounds 2-4 and defer your first rounder until next year where you hope for better luck with the draft picks you get.

You have to remember that next year's draft is supposed to be strong at QB. It may be our chance to draft Romo's replacement and then groom him for a couple of years. If Romo is still going strong we can try and trade him for a big package of draft picks and go after Romo's replacement again.

[dasander]

I've never heard of the OT Bobby Massie from Mississippi, but these rankings have him as a late first round pick? Interesting...

Anyways, here's a mock where I overlapped PFW's projection with the Prospect List: Cowboy Tracker(Update 03/29) as well as other players linked to the Cowboys.

Rd1: Mark Barron | S | Alabama
Rd2: Trumaine Johnson | CB/FS | Montana
Rd3: Bruce Irvin | OLB | West Virginia
Rd4: Ryan Broyles | WR | Oklahoma
Rd4Comp: Nick Foles | QB | Arizona
Rd5: Rhett Ellison | TE | USC
Rd6: Quinton Saulsberry | C | Mississippi State
Rd7: Emmanuel Acho | ILB | Texas

I tried to stay in the middle of each round(B), except with the 4th where I didn't find anyone I liked (and I really want Broyles to be drafted by the Cowboys ) and the 4th comp, which I basically count as an early 5th.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

Based on this chart I see even more justification for trading entirely out of the first round and getting an extra first next year as well as getting maybe a 2nd and a 3rd this year in the process. Now we have 2 seconds, thirds and fourths.

Based on this chart here's what I'd do:

#2a. Trumaine Johnson
#2b. Brandon Brooks
#3a. Bruce Irvin
#3b. Ryan Broyles
#4a. Jared Crick
#4b. Josh Norman

Now I'm also set up with two first rounders next year. Hopefully one of them ends up in the top 10 where I can grab a future QB or perhaps an elite playmaker at another position (LB, DL, OT).

Nope. This first round is loaded. You don't trade out of rounds that are loaded with talent. That's not good business.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by theogt

Nope. This first round is loaded. You don't trade out of rounds that are loaded with talent. That's not good business.

I'm not sure about this first round in top end talent:

2 top QBs and then maybe a third but not reasonable prospect for us on the board to trade down with

1 good CB, the other guy rising the board was a second rounder at the start of draft season

No elite pass rushers

Only 1 high end LT prospect

No elite WR prospects (I don't think Blackmon is elite)

This first round is lacking in impact players at impact positions. I see lots of good players but not many great players.

I'd rather take my chances by deferring until next year where we might get a better choice of players to fit our needs. Our best chances this year are at Safety (Barron) and OG (DeCastro) or a couple of DL that can't rush the passer (Cox or Brockers). I'm sorry but that is slim pickings and you can usually get similar players in the second rounds of most drafts.

Our only real hope of getting the impact defender I want is if Coples falls and we pull the trigger on him.

Last year we really lucked out with Tyron dropping to us so I hope the same thing happens to us this year with Coples. Otherwise I'll take the trade down route.

[808CowboyFan]

trade back
1. Konz
2. Jenkins
3. Irvin
3. Broyles

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

I'm not sure about this first round in top end talent:

2 top QBs and then maybe a third but not reasonable prospect for us on the board to trade down with

1 good CB, the other guy rising the board was a second rounder at the start of draft season

No elite pass rushers

Only 1 high end LT prospect

No elite WR prospects (I don't think Blackmon is elite)

This first round is lacking in impact players at impact positions. I see lots of good players but not many great players.

I'd rather take my chances by deferring until next year where we might get a better choice of players to fit our needs. Our best chances this year are at Safety (Barron) and OG (DeCastro) or a couple of DL that can't rush the passer (Cox or Brockers). I'm sorry but that is slim pickings and you can usually get similar players in the second rounds of most drafts.

[View Full Quote]Our only real hope of getting the impact defender I want is if Coples falls and we pull the trigger on him.

Last year we really lucked out with Tyron dropping to us so I hope the same thing happens to us this year with Coples. Otherwise I'll take the trade down route.

You and I are way apart on this year's draft class. Coples is actually one of the few guys I don't want and don't think is an elite prospect.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by theogt

You and I are way apart on this year's draft class. Coples is actually one of the few guys I don't want and don't think is an elite prospect.

Coples is boom or bust - I'll admit to that. If we can harness his ability we have a top 5 player. If we can't reignite his spark then we get nothing. I think we will be able to convert him so that is why I like the pick. He'll do well surrounded by guys like Ware, Ratliff, Lee and Connor.

As for this draft, I don't like the top end but I do like the depth at CB, OG and OLB which is where we have needs. That is why I want to trade down and fill up the holes in the roster.

I also want a shot at a QB next year.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

Coples is boom or bust - I'll admit to that. If we can harness his ability we have a top 5 player. If we can't reignite his spark then we get nothing. I think we will be able to convert him so that is why I like the pick. He'll do well surrounded by guys like Ware, Ratliff, Lee and Connor.

As for this draft, I don't like the top end but I do like the depth at CB, OG and OLB which is where we have needs. That is why I want to trade down and fill up the holes in the roster.

I also want a shot at a QB next year.

I can't recall the last time we've seen a draft this deep in first round talent. 2008 would probably be the last year, I think.

[jswalker1981]

Just based on that board, I'd go 1-Barron, 2-vinnie curry, 3-Philip Blake, 4-Joe Adams, 4-Chase minnifield, 5-Akiem Hicks, 6-vontaze burfict, 7-beau Reliford


Also, just a few days ago I was thinking it would be great if CZ did a draft board. We could average everyone's together and post it before the draft. It would give us a little bit more of a uniformed opinion of where a player should be picked.

[cowboysooner]

This is a really interesting list. To me there are a couple of guys that are clearly underranked given the board's opinion of them McClellan and Crick. I'd like to see people's opinion with those guys plus Coples available and how different it would be with those guys graded 1 round higher.

I'm also surprised by Devon Still in the middle of 2. That changes the way I'd think about the draft.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by theogt

I can't recall the last time we've seen a draft this deep in first round talent. 2008 would probably be the last year, I think.

Yes, the talent is deep - I don't disagree that the bottom of the first round looks good. However, that deepness also extends into the second and third rounds.

For example, I don't prefer Upshaw and Hightower over Irvin, Curry and McClellin.

I don't prefer Kirkpatrick over Heyward and Trumaine Johnson.

I don't prefer Glenn over Silatolu and Brooks.

I don't prefer Brockers and Poe over Reyes and Crick.

I do like Barron over Harrison Smith and Iloka but not enough that I want to draft him at #14.

This is why I think a trade down makes good sense for us in this draft. We can get extra picks by dropping down without losing much in the way of quality.

I also like having drafts with two first rounders - it gives you a ton of flexibility. The mistake we've made in the past with this strategy is we haven't moved around much to create future value for ourselves. I also think with the abuse Romo has taken we have to seriously consider preparing for a future without him. I will be surprised if he is still healthy in 2015.

[cowboysooner]

With Coples, McClellan and Crick available

1) Coples
2) Janoris Jenkins
3) Shea McClellan
4) Joe Adams
4c)Jared Crick
5)Kelcie McCray
6) Quinton Saulsberry
7)Emmannuel Acho

Without Coples, McClellan and Crick available in the PFW round

1) Brockers or Barron
2) Brandon Brooks (Note: I'd try to trade down from here to the top of 3rd/bottom 2)
3) Bruce Irvin
4) Markelle Martin
5) Chase Minnefield
6) Juron Criner
7) Cliff Harris