McShay vs. Kiper

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Dallas

Kiper is constantly that away w/ anyone saying anything outside of his own opinion.

He and Hodge were going at it the other night because Hodge had RG3 listed as a better NFL QB than Luck and why he should be #1.

Funny to watch.

oh it's amazing to watch. i look forward to it everyday now lol

[bpfred]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Has anyone seen these two battling it out on ESPN lately? They go to war! I'm going to read far into it and say Kiper is feeling threatened by McShay. He likes to throw the "I've been doing this for 34 years" around.

You'd think Kiper wouldn't feel threatened since he is clearly the better of the two.

I agree that Kiper is better than McShay (far better IMO). When you read his writeups, you can tell if he actually did the work on players, and he does a pretty good job. One thing he does, and it hurts him IMO, is putting grades on players when it's pretty clear he hasn't looked at them at all... IMO, that's why you will see guys get drafted and he won't even have writeups, but have a grade. There are simply too many players for one guy to truly evaluate.

[Fredd]

c'mon, do you really think Kiper & McShay do all of the work on the draftees? They both have staffs that do a lot of it for them

and, ESPN loves that they don't get along, at least during their broadcasts...good TV...personally, I like McShay better....I can't get past the pompous, arrogant attitude of Kiper...I like listening to both, but I prefer McShay of the two

[TheCount]

They always do this and it's an act. This is what they want viewers to think. They get along just fine. You should listen to the podcast they do, First Draft. They don't put up a front I disliking each other on there because the cameras aren't rolling. ESPN very much wants them both.

As far as who does the work, I think they do the research themselves for the most part. Kiper doesn't travel though, while McShay goes to pro days and all that stuff.

[jobberone]

For me Kiper is good for information so keeps me interested. His predictions on where people will be drafted aren't so good.

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by TheCount

As far as who does the work, I think they do the research themselves for the most part. Kiper doesn't travel though, while McShay goes to pro days and all that stuff.

They do little research. Kiper has a pretty large staff and actually gets most of his info from college scouts that work for nickels. McShay is as you say more involved and hands on. Kiper reads what he is given, studies the hell out of it, and simply regurgitates that stuff.

I prefer McShay. then Mayock, then Kiper.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Fredd

c'mon, do you really think Kiper & McShay do all of the work on the draftees? They both have staffs that do a lot of it for them

and, ESPN loves that they don't get along, at least during their broadcasts...good TV...personally, I like McShay better....I can't get past the pompous, arrogant attitude of Kiper...I like listening to both, but I prefer McShay of the two

There was an article written on Mel a couple of years ago. He has no staff whatsoever. Just his wife handling the business side of it.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

There was an article written on Mel a couple of years ago. He has no staff whatsoever. Just his wife handling the business side of it.

Like him or not, Mel is a big reason why guys like McShay now have a career.
He's the Godfather of this stuff.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

Like him or not, Mel is a big reason why guys like McShay now have a career.
He's the Godfather of this stuff.

He's the reason why they all have jobs. Including that Philly fraud Mayock who decided he was a draft expert when NFLN wanted to create their own Kiper.

Here's the article I mentioned earlier. No staff. He's kept it a family business. If you purchase his books, Kim Kiper takes your order. All the info in the book is from Mel Kiper. With as big as he's gotten over the years, I have to respect that. He could have easily gotten lazy and brought people in to do the grunt work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/sp...pagewanted=all

[NeonDeion21]

Originally Posted by TheCount

They always do this and it's an act. This is what they want viewers to think. They get along just fine. You should listen to the podcast they do, First Draft. They don't put up a front I disliking each other on there because the cameras aren't rolling. ESPN very much wants them both.

As far as who does the work, I think they do the research themselves for the most part. Kiper doesn't travel though, while McShay goes to pro days and all that stuff.

Was just going to mention their First Draft podcast. They have admitted that they act like they hate each other on TV for ratings. They seem to like each other quite a bit and help each other out through the Draft process.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

He's the reason why they all have jobs. Including that Philly fraud Mayock who decided he was a draft expert when NFLN wanted to create their own Kiper.

Here's the article I mentioned earlier. No staff. He's kept it a family business. If you purchase his books, Kim Kiper takes your order. All the info in the book is from Mel Kiper. With as big as he's gotten over the years, I have to respect that. He could have easily gotten lazy and brought people in to do the grunt work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/sp...pagewanted=all

Good article. You definitely have to respect him for what he's accomplished.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Good article. You definitely have to respect him for what he's accomplished.

I respect her more for putting up with him.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I respect her more for putting up with him.

that too.

[Chuck 54]

McShay has a boner for Tanneyhill.

Kiper likes to point out that Tanneyhill was playing WR for 2-3 years for a QB who wasn't drafted.

[big dog cowboy]

I know I tell this story every year, but pre-internet back in the 80's I called Kiper's office to buy his draft book and his wife answered the phone. We had a nice chat. Not sure why but at the time I thought that was pretty cool.