I've listened to Stephen Jones talk twice

[Mash]

Stephen and Jerry dont evaluate talent.....

The listen to people around them....people who get paid to do that stuff.

I think alot of the stuff they spew on radio is just jibberish....

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by Mash

Stephen and Jerry dont evaluate talent.....

The listen to people around them....people who get paid to do that stuff.

I think alot of the stuff they spew on radio is just jibberish....

Then can you explain Quincy Carter, Felix Jones, Jason Williams, Robert Brewster, etc.? lol

[ABQcowboyJR]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Then can you explain Quincy Carter, Felix Jones, Jason Williams, Robert Brewster, etc.? lol

Pre JG... Lets see what the draft style will be now.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

Very true, excellent points. And great job with that research!



But, I would say that New England has done it without short-changing themselves at other positions as they have maintained a high level of success during that time.

I would not consider the current Cowboys as having that luxury.

They have maintained a high level of success on the offense...their defense last year was not exactly stellar.

It seems they decide to draft on the idea of BPA or the idea that they want to keep the offense up and choose to concentrate more on that side of the ball.

That last draft is really crazy considering they had so many needs on defense yet they only drafted a total of three players on defense and instead decided to draft 2 RBs, A QB and yet ANOTHER TE even though they had Gronk at Hernandez.

So...Maybe, just maybe if we get fleener in the second, it might be because they think he is the BPA and they also want to further strengthen the offense.
Now There are other areas I would rather address myself so we are in the same boat here, but there is also other things to consider and just because it might not be what we want does not automatically make it silly...although sometimes it is silly.

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Then can you explain Quincy Carter, Felix Jones, Jason Williams, Robert Brewster, etc.? lol

No comprendo... Are you saying the scouts and coaches couldn't have made those evaluations because they were bad? (Now Quincy was a JJ pick, we know that.)

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by ABQcowboyJR

Pre JG... Lets see what the draft style will be now.

That's true. Let's hope those days are over!

[SilverStarCowboy]

A TE in a very weak TE class. Our Front Office repeatedly/constantly leaves a lot to be desired to say the least.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

They have maintained a high level of success on the offense...their defense last year was not exactly stellar.

It seems they decide to draft on the idea of BPA or the idea that they want to keep the offense up and choose to concentrate more on that side of the ball.

That last draft is really crazy considering they had so many needs on defense yet they only drafted a total of three players on defense and instead decided to draft 2 RBs, A QB and yet ANOTHER TE even though they had Gronk at Hernandez.

So...Maybe, just maybe if we get fleener in the second, it might be because they think he is the BPA and they also want to further strengthen the offense.
[View Full Quote]Now There are other areas I would rather address myself so we are in the same boat here, but there is also other things to consider and just because it might not be what we want does not automatically make it silly...although sometimes it is silly.

When you have a HOF QB you can get away with sucking mostly everywhere else. Ask the Colts.

[cowboysooner]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

and both times he mentioned backup Tight End.


Then I see Bill Jones mock and he has us trading down and taking Fleener in the 1st round.


Now I could see us going Fleener in round 2 if he somehow was at our pick but I can't see us going TE until Round 3 at the earliest.


Anyone worried we may go TE in the 2nd round and it won't be Fleener?

If you told me I had 2 picks after #10 to make my offense better in the near and long term, Fleener would be one of the picks. You would get more dynamic plays and edge pass protection in a division of edge rushers from being in a base 2 tight end set than most other things you could do offensively.

I would certainly pick Fleener (plus an additional 2nd) and one of the second round guard/centers over 2 more interior linemen.

I'd rather go defense, but I get why we would want to add Fleener a 6-6 guy who can run a 4.5 and knows how to find holes in zones is pretty valuable.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

No comprendo... Are you saying the scouts and coaches couldn't have made those evaluations because they were bad? (Now Quincy was a JJ pick, we know that.)

Jerry chose Felix when there were higher RB's on the board. Strictly a Garrett/Jerry pick.

Jason Williams was a Wade Philips pick and Jerry listened to him. Jerry's fault. Wade isn't a scout.

Brewster? Who knows, but can our scouts really be that horrific with scouting offensive linemen? I hope not!

[InmanRoshi]

I like Fleener, but to me he only makes sense if the Cowboys are just completely doing away with using a 3rd WR for nickel packages and using a 2 TE set in nickel .... because they currently they have no 3rd WR for nickel packages.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Then can you explain Quincy Carter, Felix Jones, Jason Williams, Robert Brewster, etc.? lol

Of those only Carter was a Jerry pet cat.

JG loved Felix. He felt his offense truly needed that speed dimension and pass threat out of the back field. He drew up plays to show how he could use Felix before the draft. ---And Felix has been solid thus far not a waste.

Jason Williams and Brewster were just all-around draft misses but hardly guys Jerry or Stephen were in love with.

Believe it or not every team misses on guys.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by cowboysooner

If you told me I had 2 picks after #10 to make my offense better in the near and long term, Fleener would be one of the picks. You would get more dynamic plays and edge pass protection in a division of edge rushers from being in a base 2 tight end set than most other things you could do offensively.

I would certainly pick Fleener (plus an additional 2nd) and one of the second round guard/centers over 2 more interior linemen.

I'd rather go defense, but I get why we would want to add Fleener a 6-6 guy who can run a 4.5 and knows how to find holes in zones is pretty valuable.

Fleener can not block.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

They have maintained a high level of success on the offense...their defense last year was not exactly stellar.

It seems they decide to draft on the idea of BPA or the idea that they want to keep the offense up and choose to concentrate more on that side of the ball.

That last draft is really crazy considering they had so many needs on defense yet they only drafted a total of three players on defense and instead decided to draft 2 RBs, A QB and yet ANOTHER TE even though they had Gronk at Hernandez.

It's one issue I have with New England's recent draft as well as free agency moves.

I feel they've been neglecting pass rusher and cornerback for far too long and I think it's come back to haunt them.

So...Maybe, just maybe if we get fleener in the second, it might be because they think he is the BPA and they also want to further strengthen the offense.

Again, I can agree with improving the offense but I don;t think a #2 TE is the way to do it. No knock on Fleener, just that this team has bigger needs elsewhere.

Now There are other areas I would rather address myself so we are in the same boat here, but there is also other things to consider and just because it might not be what we want does not automatically make it silly...although sometimes it is silly.

Very true. But conversely, just because the Cowboys make a move, that doesn;t automatically make it the right move (no matter what some people would like to think).

Many people, inside and outside of the game have stated that the Cowboys have overlooked both lines for far too long and their underwhelming results have supported that belief.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by jterrell

Of those only Carter was a Jerry pet cat.

JG loved Felix. He felt his offense truly needed that speed dimension and pass threat out of the back field. He drew up plays to show how he could use Felix before the draft. ---And Felix has been solid thus far not a waste.

Jason Williams and Brewster were just all-around draft misses but hardly guys Jerry or Stephen were in love with.

Believe it or not every team misses on guys.

Jerry should not get a pass on the Felix pick. He hasn't been solid. He's been the definition of a frustrating draft pick with "potential." And considering the other RB's that were on the board (Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles), it's a huge miss. Another example of Jerry listening to his coaches and not his scouts.