how good is Barron?

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by DBOY3141

He will not make it to the 20's.

Multiple sources say he is top 10 talent in this draft. Eagles, Jets, Cincy, Bears all love him.

He may not make it to 14.

Our secondary sucks...period. He is better than both Pool, Sensy, Church... we need help bad.

He may not make it to 20 then again he may not. I see a lot of people claiming certain guys are not going to be there at 14. I don't dislike him and would not have a hissy fit if Dallas did take him at 14 I'm just uneasy taking him at 14. As for being better than all of the other safeties on the team that is not a selling point when talking about a draft pick, Harrison Smith may be better than Pool, Sensy and Church but I would not take him at 14

[ABQCOWBOY]

He is not the player I would want us to take at 14 if I had my choice but I would not be upset over it either. I get the feeling that maybe a few fans are not excited about this player, perhaps because they view him as Roy Williams part 2. I will tell you that I never loved the Roy Williams pick but I would like this pick much better. Barron is not Roy. Roy was a guy who made a lot of big plays in College using a scheme that was designed for him to make lots of plays. I was never really in love with Roy's ability to cover. Barron is a guy who has played well in different schemes but a guy who has played well in Pro Schemes and that's the big difference to me. What he has done at Alabama is the same kind of scheme he will be playing in the NFL.

Cox would be my choice in the 1st round but I would not be unhappy if we elected to take Barron. We have already added Carr, if we added a guy like Barron, and if Jenkins can ever get his shoulder right, I think we could start seeing a pretty good tackling secondary. He would be a very good addition, IMO, to our defense.

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by rafaelgreco

I've seen in a lot of mocks that we are takeing him

He is a good, solid safety but he is not to the level of Earl Thomas.


In other words, he is good, but not great.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Beast_from_East

He is a good, solid safety but he is not to the level of Earl Thomas.


In other words, he is good, but not great.

He's a better all around safety then Thomas IMO. Thomas is light and while that probably helps him in pass coverage, he will get run over in the running game. I love Thomas but I don't think you can say he's better. I think you can say that he is probably a better fit at FS then Barron would be but you can also say that Barron would be a much better fit at SS.

[TheCount]

The truth is that no one really knows. He was a key cog in the NCAA's best defense, which was a pro style scheme. He's proven he's more athletic than given credit for, even if he doesn't run a 4.3 and he's proven to be both smart and instinctual. Those are all positive things.

How that translates to the pros is anyone's guess. I don't know if he'll be able to make game changing plays like some of the guys that get a lot of press, but it sure seems like he can bring stability to a position we've played musical chairs with since Roy Williams was sent packing.

Originally Posted by Beast_from_East

He is a good, solid safety but he is not to the level of Earl Thomas.


In other words, he is good, but not great.

Well to begin with, they don't play the same position and secondly Thomas has not proven to be "great" yet either. Thomas does get the edge though because we've actually seen him play against NFL talent.

In my point, no one that has yet to play a down of pro football can be considered better than even the worst NFL starter. You have to prove it.

[InmanRoshi]

How good is any player really? It's all just a guessing game. People on this board are saying DeCastro is going to make the Pro Bowl as a rookie (which Mike Munchak, Larry Allen and Steve Hutchinson couldn't do), and as far as I know I don't think he ever squared off against an NFL caliber defensive tackle in college.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

How good is any player really? It's all just a guessing game. People on this board are saying DeCastro is going to make the Pro Bowl as a rookie (which Mike Munchak, Larry Allen and Steve Hutchinson couldn't do), and as far as I know I don't think he ever squared off against an NFL caliber defensive tackle in college.

I don't predict pro bowls but he's faced several DT's that will be and are in the NFL just like Barron has faced receivers and QB's that are and will be in the NFL.

That's different than playing on an actual NFL team and having to do it day in and day out though.

[cowboysooner]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

He's a better all around safety then Thomas IMO. Thomas is light and while that probably helps him in pass coverage, he will get run over in the running game. I love Thomas but I don't think you can say he's better. I think you can say that he is probably a better fit at FS then Barron would be but you can also say that Barron would be a much better fit at SS.

I think it is alot more difficult to find an elite free safety than an elite strong safety.

If you gave me a choice, I'd take Thomas every time, especially with the Redskins going to alot of 3 wide stuff, the Eagles rarely playing with a fullback and the Giant run game a shell of itself.

To win the NFC you have to go through elite passing offenses with not much run game and Thomas is the better player to help do that, but he ain't in the draft.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by TheCount

I don't predict pro bowls but he's faced several DT's that will be and are in the NFL

Who? Last year the only player he squared off against that even gets an training camp invite would be Ta'amu, and they rarely went head to head.

In the last 3 years the SEC has produced AJ Green, Randall Cobb, Denarius Moore, Rueben Randle, Brandon LeFell, Riley Cooper, Joe Adams, Greg Childs and Alshon Jeffrey at WR and Aaron Hernandez and Orson Charles at TE. I'm going to say Barron is a little more familiar with NFL caliber competition. Not to mention he faced off against Julio Jones and Brad Smelley every day in practice.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by cowboysooner

I think it is alot more difficult to find an elite free safety than an elite strong safety.

If you gave me a choice, I'd take Thomas every time, especially with the Redskins going to alot of 3 wide stuff, the Eagles rarely playing with a fullback and the Giant run game a shell of itself.

To win the NFC you have to go through elite passing offenses with not much run game and Thomas is the better player to help do that, but he ain't in the draft.

Very good point. I would not take Thomas over Barron, only because I think Barron's ability to cover and play center field is better then Thomas' ability to be an in the box safety. I think Barron is probably going to end up being better at both then Thomas will be. This lessons the chance of an opposing OC isolating him IMO. The other very strong reason would be because I believe that Barron will be much better at calling the defenses and actually being that Coach on the field type player that I believe Dallas sorely needs on defense. I see him as much more of a Ronnie Lott type player then an Ed Reed but either way, I think he can help our defense.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Who? Last year the only player he squared off against that even gets an training camp invite would be Ta'amu, and they rarely went head to head.

You're thinking too short term. He's been a starter since 2009, do the research yourself.

I'm not arguing Barron vs DeCastro, I'm saying your statement that he's never faced an NFL caliber tackle is false.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by TheCount

You're thinking too short term. He's been a starter since 2009, do the research yourself.

I'm not arguing Barron vs DeCastro, I'm saying your statement that he's never faced an NFL caliber tackle is false.

Iman hates DeCastro. Any chance he gets he runs him down.

[cowboysooner]

The only dt's he played that are in the NFL or are high draft picks this year are Gerald McCoy, Brian Price as a freshman and Stephen Paea and Almeda Taamu.

[theogt]

How many NFL quality OTs did Ware face in college? Sometimes you can either see talent or you can't.

[tupperware]

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