Concern Over Barron's Injuries

[AKATheRake]

Mark Barron has played through all these injuries and impacts plays.

That simple.

This guy plays through anything.

Welcome to the NFL. Where the players who can play through injury and give it up for their teams are the ones who lead them.

Mark Barron is pro ready.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by AKATheRake

Mark Barron has played through all these injuries and impacts plays.

That simple.

This guy plays through anything.

Welcome to the NFL. Where the players who can play through injury and give it up for their teams are the ones who lead them.

Mark Barron is pro ready.

Exactly

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Fla Cowpoke

I would guess there is a very large percentage of players that will be coming into the NFL that have had at least one surgical procedure during their careers.

The point is that teams have highly paid medical experts at their availability and I would think they will be making a decision from an informed standpoint.

Using guys like Newman, Marco Rivera, Kyle Kosier, Anthony Henry as examples is kind of laughable because most of their injury issues all came later in their career.

Or is it odd that Barron has developed similar injuries at such a young age and what does that suggest about his future that his tissue has torn 3 times in his short career at Alabama?

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by AKATheRake

Mark Barron has played through all these injuries and impacts plays.

That simple.

This guy plays through anything.

Welcome to the NFL. Where the players who can play through injury and give it up for their teams are the ones who lead them.

Mark Barron is pro ready.

Yes, he can play through injury.

However, each injury takes something out of you until your ability on the field starts to deteriorate.

Each injury on its own is inconsequential. It is the pattern of multiple major soft tissue injuries that worries me in a young fellow. It wouldn't worry me enough to pull him off the board altogether but it is enough for me to suggest waiting until the 2nd round on Barron. I'd also prefer 2nd round on McClellin and 3rd round for Konz.

We need to spend our earlier picks on guys with less medical risk.

Anyhow, the point is probably moot on Barron as he looks like he is going top 10 so we won't be able to screw ourselves on this one.

[casmith07]

Let's only draft guys that never got hurt.

We'll draft no players.

[Biggems]

Originally Posted by nathanlt

I like the phrase "designed evolutionarily".

If you can't clearly decide between evolution and creation, go with both. FWIW, I hope you are convinced of one over the other some day. But it shows that you are carefully looking at both, and that's a good thing. I'll say this, you're not close minded.

let us not get into a Darwinian discussion now....LOL


BTW, I do not want Barron at all. I want DeCastro, Keuchly, Cox, Poe, or Mercilus.

[BIGDen]

Originally Posted by casmith07

Let's only draft guys that never got hurt.

We'll draft no players.

Really? That's what you got out of this thread? C'mon man, you're better than that response.

All injuries are not the same. A college player that has had multiple soft tissue injuries which required surgical intervention is not the same as a guy who fractured a couple of ribs, had a quad contusion, and a mild concussion. Those kinds of injuries happen in football and are not indicative of someone who may be prone to tears and has post-op scar tissue which is not elastic. Numerous concussions, a serious clotting disorder, and multiple soft tissue repairs are different. If I'm not mistaken, I believe you're studying to be a lawyer (or are a lawyer). I could be wrong, but my point will be the same. All crimes are not equal. If a prospect came into the league with multiple drug-related arrests and a history of violent crimes, those things would be considered when evaluating the player. He would likely be looked at differently when compared to a guy coming into the league with a couple of minor traffic violations and maybe an arrest for possession of a small amount of marijuana (unless we're talking about the Bengals of course). Now the guy with the worse rap sheet might never commit a crime again and Barron may never suffer another injury in his career, but the odds don't favor those outcomes. First round draft picks, IMO, should not have a great deal of significant medical issues. History (medical or legal) is important. If it wasn't, then Janoris Jenkins would likely be a top 10 or 15 pick.

[Fla Cowpoke]

I have basic medical knowledge so I am not even going to venture into arguing the injuries with you.

All I am saying is that if we ultimately choose to draft Barron, I think it will only be with medical clearance from our training staff. We hear all the time about guys being red flagged due to injuries. We also know that our staff is not afraid to considered injured players if we think there is significant upside. We drafted Chris Canty with that knowledge. We drafted Sean Lee with that knowledge. We drafted Bruce Carter with that knowledge. I feel comfortable enough with our team's medical procedures that I am not worried about them wasting a first rounder on a medical risk.

As far as Barron's injuries, wouldn't they both be trauma related? We hear about pectoral and bicep tears all the time usually when someone gets caught up in a pile. Sports hernias are fairly common as well. I remember McNabb had one and recovered without any issues. Others have as well.

[casmith07]

Originally Posted by BIGDen

Really? That's what you got out of this thread? C'mon man, you're better than that response.

[View Full Quote]All injuries are not the same. A college player that has had multiple soft tissue injuries which required surgical intervention is not the same as a guy who fractured a couple of ribs, had a quad contusion, and a mild concussion. Those kinds of injuries happen in football and are not indicative of someone who may be prone to tears and has post-op scar tissue which is not elastic. Numerous concussions, a serious clotting disorder, and multiple soft tissue repairs are different. If I'm not mistaken, I believe you're studying to be a lawyer (or are a lawyer). I could be wrong, but my point will be the same. All crimes are not equal. If a prospect came into the league with multiple drug-related arrests and a history of violent crimes, those things would be considered when evaluating the player. He would likely be looked at differently when compared to a guy coming into the league with a couple of minor traffic violations and maybe an arrest for possession of a small amount of marijuana (unless we're talking about the Bengals of course). Now the guy with the worse rap sheet might never commit a crime again and Barron may never suffer another injury in his career, but the odds don't favor those outcomes. First round draft picks, IMO, should not have a great deal of significant medical issues. History (medical or legal) is important. If it wasn't, then Janoris Jenkins would likely be a top 10 or 15 pick.

My guess is that there's a consensus about his long term prognosis, for everyone to be mocking him as a Top 15 pick.

[BIGDen]

Originally Posted by casmith07

My guess is that there's a consensus about his long term prognosis, for everyone to be mocking him as a Top 15 pick.

And if we pick him, I hope that they're right. It's just something that I think is a legit concern. I think that LaFleur had a bad back in college and it ultimately cost him his football career. I'd hate to see us get burned again by taking a guy in the first round with a significant injury history. Maybe we'll just draft DeCastro and I'll be happy.

[BAT]

Originally Posted by Fla Cowpoke

I have basic medical knowledge so I am not even going to venture into arguing the injuries with you.

All I am saying is that if we ultimately choose to draft Barron, I think it will only be with medical clearance from our training staff. We hear all the time about guys being red flagged due to injuries. We also know that our staff is not afraid to considered injured players if we think there is significant upside. We drafted Chris Canty with that knowledge. We drafted Sean Lee with that knowledge. We drafted Bruce Carter with that knowledge. I feel comfortable enough with our team's medical procedures that I am not worried about them wasting a first rounder on a medical risk.

[View Full Quote]As far as Barron's injuries, wouldn't they both be trauma related? We hear about pectoral and bicep tears all the time usually when someone gets caught up in a pile. Sports hernias are fairly common as well. I remember McNabb had one and recovered without any issues. Others have as well.

Cowboys medical staff also cleared David LaFleur who went into the draft with a degenerative back condition. Cowboys not only drafted LaFleur in the 1st round, but they traded up to get him. After 3 unimpressive seasons, LaFleur was cut after failing a physical. It's not about 1 injury, it's about a propensity to suffer chronic injury, indicating a pattern.

Arguing with people more learned about medical conditions is very short sighted. Cowboys may very well draft Barron but to ignore a potential long term issue is the proverbial ostrich with head in sand. That said, methinks the Barron fans doth protest too much.

Debate is healthy, unlike Barron's soft tissues it seems.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Fla Cowpoke

I have basic medical knowledge so I am not even going to venture into arguing the injuries with you.

All I am saying is that if we ultimately choose to draft Barron, I think it will only be with medical clearance from our training staff. We hear all the time about guys being red flagged due to injuries. We also know that our staff is not afraid to considered injured players if we think there is significant upside. We drafted Chris Canty with that knowledge. We drafted Sean Lee with that knowledge. We drafted Bruce Carter with that knowledge. I feel comfortable enough with our team's medical procedures that I am not worried about them wasting a first rounder on a medical risk.

[View Full Quote]As far as Barron's injuries, wouldn't they both be trauma related? We hear about pectoral and bicep tears all the time usually when someone gets caught up in a pile. Sports hernias are fairly common as well. I remember McNabb had one and recovered without any issues. Others have as well.

That's reassuring.

[Fla Cowpoke]

Originally Posted by BAT

Cowboys medical staff also cleared David LaFleur who went into the draft with a degenerative back condition. Cowboys not only drafted LaFleur in the 1st round, but they traded up to get him. After 3 unimpressive seasons, LaFleur was cut after failing a physical. It's not about 1 injury, it's about a propensity to suffer chronic injury, indicating a pattern.

Arguing with people more learned about medical conditions is very short sighted. Cowboys may very well draft Barron but to ignore a potential long term issue is the proverbial ostrich with head in sand. That said, methinks the Barron fans doth protest too much.

Debate is healthy, unlike Barron's soft tissues it seems.

So you are going to bring up a guy from 1997?

And ignore the recent success with the guys I mentioned? I am willing to guess the training staff and physicians we have now are probably not the same overall group that was around when LaFleur was drafted.

From an injury standpoint, the last guy that we whiffed on that I can recall was maybe Jason Williams, but before that the OT Jacob Rogers.

Of course, the bigger problem with Williams was he couldn't play.

I haven't heard one source indicate teams are red flagging Barron because of his injuries. He has shot up the charts, just the opposite of most players with injury concerns.

[casmith07]

Originally Posted by BIGDen

And if we pick him, I hope that they're right. It's just something that I think is a legit concern. I think that LaFleur had a bad back in college and it ultimately cost him his football career. I'd hate to see us get burned again by taking a guy in the first round with a significant injury history. Maybe we'll just draft DeCastro and I'll be happy.

I would be happy with DeCastro or Barron at this point, but considering we did fairly okay with a sieve of an offensive line last year, I really want Barron.

I just do not feel good whatsoever with Brodney Pool starting this year. I would rather have Abe Elam back.

[AKATheRake]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

Yes, he can play through injury.

However, each injury takes something out of you until your ability on the field starts to deteriorate.

Each injury on its own is inconsequential. It is the pattern of multiple major soft tissue injuries that worries me in a young fellow. It wouldn't worry me enough to pull him off the board altogether but it is enough for me to suggest waiting until the 2nd round on Barron. I'd also prefer 2nd round on McClellin and 3rd round for Konz.

We need to spend our earlier picks on guys with less medical risk.

Anyhow, the point is probably moot on Barron as he looks like he is going top 10 so we won't be able to screw ourselves on this one.

There's a good reason Barron is being considered a possible top 10 pick. He's pro ready through thick and thin.

The Bills better be careful with Mario Williams and all that money he got because of last years pectoral pull that he could only play the first 3rd of the season because of it.

Coples is a bum because he was apparently preserving his body and the effort he displayed did not match his talent. So he's no good to take either when listening to the consensus.

Trent Richardson is coming off injury at a position where you're destined to get hit. Better look at him for nothing more than the 2nd round too. LOL!

We all realize what sport we're talking about here right?

If Barron is there at # 14 and there's no trade that knocks you off your chair , you take him and fix an almost decade long problem. Cox will not be there and Barron should be admired for being a warrior that impacted a championship.....