Is Brockers Too Risky at 14?

[Big Cat]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

you absolutely hate him, lol..everyone on the planet has a different opinion on brockers than you do..

i respect your opinion..itll be fun seeing how it turns out

Not everyone. I have been saying this about Brockers for a while now.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Gaede

I don't see anything that Brockers actually does. I don't see it.

He doesn't get pushed off the line of scrimmage.


The only thing Brockers hasn't shown is an ability to get after the QB.


Im not for or against Brockers. If we draft him i'll cheer for him.

I just think right now he is our 3rd option and I think the Cowboys will select Decastro as their last resort if Cox, Barron, and Brockers are gone.



The reason I think Decastro is the 4th option is because I think the Cowboys know they will have to get real lucky to get a DL in the 2nd. Interior OL is all through this draft.

[Doomsday101]

I have no problem with Brocker I just don't feel he is worth a 14th overall. I think there are better players we can get at 14

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I have no problem with Brocker I just don't feel he is worth a 14th overall. I think there are better players we can get at 14

The thing is if we don't take him @ 14 than the Eagles will probably take him at 15.

I think he is probably worth a top 15 pick because of the upside and position he plays.


Honestly though I think this guy is going to be another Chris Canty.

[Tex]

I dont want him anywhere in the first round. 14 is absurd. At 45 he is worth taking a flyer on him.

He would be a better DT in a 4-3 then a DE in a 3-4.

Tex

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

The thing is if we don't take him @ 14 than the Eagles will probably take him at 15.

I think he is probably worth a top 15 pick because of the upside and position he plays.


Honestly though I think this guy is going to be another Chris Canty.

I wish I could agree with you I have doubts about Brockers. This years draft has not been viewed at a great Defensive front draft. I think there are some good players out there but I see very few that I think will develope into Pro Bowl caliber players.

[CATCH17]

2. MICHAEL BROCKERS Louisiana State 6-5 319 5.27 1

He doesn't rush the passer nearly as well as Cox but is a far more effective run stopper. "He's a monster against the run," one scout said. "Throws guys around." Redshirted in 2009, played off the bench in '10 and started in '11 before declaring two years early. "Next year he is easily a top-10 pick," another scout said. "If you get him 10 to 20 now you're going to be doing A-OK. He can play the run today. Difficult to move. Tremendous hand placement. He may not be factor as a rusher with the exception of pushing the pocket and getting his hands up, which is valuable." Has long arms (35) but, somewhat strangely, small hands (9 1/8). "You're hoping you're getting the old days when John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth and Marcus Stroud were in their prime," a third scout said. “That’s what you hope you’re drafting.” Finished with 79 tackles (11 for loss) and two sacks. Finished with 79 tackles (11 for loss) and two sacks. Hails from Houston.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

2. MICHAEL BROCKERS Louisiana State 6-5 319 5.27 1

[View Full Quote]He doesn't rush the passer nearly as well as Cox but is a far more effective run stopper. "He's a monster against the run," one scout said. "Throws guys around." Redshirted in 2009, played off the bench in '10 and started in '11 before declaring two years early. "Next year he is easily a top-10 pick," another scout said. "If you get him 10 to 20 now you're going to be doing A-OK. He can play the run today. Difficult to move. Tremendous hand placement. He may not be factor as a rusher with the exception of pushing the pocket and getting his hands up, which is valuable." Has long arms (35) but, somewhat strangely, small hands (9 1/8). "You're hoping you're getting the old days when John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth and Marcus Stroud were in their prime," a third scout said. “That’s what you hope you’re drafting.” Finished with 79 tackles (11 for loss) and two sacks. Finished with 79 tackles (11 for loss) and two sacks. Hails from Houston.

If by chance the Cowboys draft him I can't say I would be thrilled but I will support him and hope he develops into a top player in this league. I have my own views on players and draft picks but I don't act like a Jets fan or eagles fan and boo the player because I have a different view. On Thursday we will get the newest member of the Cowboys and as a fan I will welcome the guy with open arms. My hope is we look to someone else but if not I will hope for the best

[SDogo]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

2. MICHAEL BROCKERS Louisiana State 6-5 319 5.27 1

[View Full Quote]He doesn't rush the passer nearly as well as Cox but is a far more effective run stopper. "He's a monster against the run," one scout said. "Throws guys around." Redshirted in 2009, played off the bench in '10 and started in '11 before declaring two years early. "Next year he is easily a top-10 pick," another scout said. "If you get him 10 to 20 now you're going to be doing A-OK. He can play the run today. Difficult to move. Tremendous hand placement. He may not be factor as a rusher with the exception of pushing the pocket and getting his hands up, which is valuable." Has long arms (35) but, somewhat strangely, small hands (9 1/8). "You're hoping you're getting the old days when John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth and Marcus Stroud were in their prime," a third scout said. “That’s what you hope you’re drafting.” Finished with 79 tackles (11 for loss) and two sacks. Finished with 79 tackles (11 for loss) and two sacks. Hails from Houston.

No one wants to hear that. I admit, I'm luke warm on him, even after film study I think he has a lot of potential I'm just not sure he is what we need right this moment but there are people who get paid a lot more then I do with a lot more experience and have a much more proven track record who say he's a gem and value at 14. I'll take their opinion every time. If I was hearing a few here and there who liked him and the majority was on the fence I might have a different opinion but 9 out 10 GM and Scouts love the kid and what he brings to the table. I'll side with them.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

If by chance the Cowboys draft him I can't say I would be thrilled but I will support him and hope he develops into a top player in this league. I have my own views on players and draft picks but I don't act like a Jets fan or eagles fan and boo the player because I have a different view. On Thursday we will get the newest member of the Cowboys and as a fan I will welcome the guy with open arms. My hope is we look to someone else but if not I will hope for the best

Yeah im not sky high on Brockers or anything. I have a good idea of what he'll be for us and it's not what we need right now but I think we'll be glad we have him down the road.


We could've just Re-Signed Canty a few years back and avoided this though.

We've let our division rivals steal all of our depth on the DL and now we have to use a premium draft pick on it.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I'm coming around on this guy BIGTIME!

This guy is exactly what we need on the dline.. What people don't see is that he will collapse the pocket..he isn't going to sack the QB, but he will collapse the pocket and allow other players to penetrate and get to the QB

Still not sure if I want him more than Barron or not

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

I'm coming around on this guy BIGTIME!

This guy is exactly what we need on the dline.. What people don't see is that he will collapse the pocket..he isn't going to sack the QB, but he will collapse the pocket and allow other players to penetrate and get to the QB

Still not sure if I want him more than Barron or not

I thought you were always on the Brockers Waggon? Or did you just think we had him rated high?

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by SDogo

No one wants to hear that. I admit, I'm luke warm on him, even after film study I think he has a lot of potential I'm just not sure he is what we need right this moment but there are people who get paid a lot more then I do with a lot more experience and have a much more proven track record who say he's a gem and value at 14. I'll take their opinion every time. If I was hearing a few here and there who liked him and the majority was on the fence I might have a different opinion but 9 out 10 GM and Scouts love the kid and what he brings to the table. I'll side with them.

and there are very qualified scouts and such that are not enamored with him as well.

Look how many bought into Jumongus and other top busts.

Nuts look at how many thought Gallery would be a top LT.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

I thought you were always on the Brockers Waggon? Or did you just think we had him rated high?

I was always on him..but I never had him rated over Barron or Decastro..

I'm starting to think I want him over Decastro..tough *** call between him and Barron

[SDogo]

[/quote]and there are very qualified scouts and such that are not enamored with him as well.[/quote]

They are the extreme minority

[/quote]Look how many bought into Jumongus and other top busts.

Nuts look at how many thought Gallery would be a top LT.[/quote]

Well that's a huge double edged sword because we can flip it and say that may every well be the case with DeCastro. They can be wrong on him just as well as they can be right on DeCastro.

Sorry about the formatting, damn smart phones.