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04-26-2012
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Great Article on 1st round success rate (Case for DeCastro)
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...isappointments
In terms of drafting a guard/center there is a 42.8 success rate of centers/guards making the pro bowl at least once if they were drafted in the first round (last 10 years).
The only thing higher is safety and tight end.
When you get into multiple pro bowls:
Guard is 42.8% (Center is 28.5%)
The only thing higher is safety (than center)
Guard/Center seems to be the safest pick in general, and even looking at DeCastro he seems to be the safest pick.
With a team that has missed so many times in the last decade, I'd really appreciate us going for the safest pick/best bet.
In the final two months of 2011, Romo’s passer rating was 115.9.
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04-26-2012
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Good point although that makes Barron pretty safe as well....
The truth almost always lies somewhere in between...
Except on CZ.
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04-26-2012
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I think that is mainly because Guard, Center, TE, & Safety are not seen as high priority positions like QB, DE, OT, CB, are. So the only time a team will select one in the first round is when they are truly standouts at their position.
QBs will go in the first even when they are not seen as "can't miss" players because a team NEEDS a QB. Same with some of the others. Look at the mock drafts and you will see a lot of QBs, DEs, CBs, & OTs in the first round but only one or two interior linemen and safeties.
It comes down to a perception of need rather than actual talent/ability. It is a rare draft when 3 interior linemen are selected in the first round but not rare at all to see more than 3 DEs taken early.
RBs, WRs, & LBs vary with each draft so it's harder to make a general statement about those positions. You could have a bunch of them go early in one draft and very few the next.
All that said, I think DeCastro should be our pick as he is a rare talent at OG, rather than Barron (whom many mocks have us taking) who is NOT a complete Safety IMO. We can look for DB help in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
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04-26-2012
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Interior linemen make the pro bowl on name recognition moreso than any other position. It's only logical that 1st round picks at those positions make the pro bowl at a higher rate.
Plus interior linemen typically go later in the 1st round, which means more successful teams draft them and more successful teams get more pro bowlers, earned or not.
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04-26-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fanfromvirginia
Good point although that makes Barron pretty safe as well....
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how is Barron a safe pick, he may be the best safety in this draft but what does that say when the safety class in this draft is so weak.....And barron is certainly NO Ed Reed, he's more of a strong safety than a free safety and one could argue that he may be more of a product of playing in a great defense, especially front seven....I wouldn't mind the pick if he's there at 14, but as far as I'm concerned, Decastro is the safe pick in this draft and when jerry is always talking about getting players to help Romo, that's the guy I want, because a great offensive line helps Romo and the offense by running the ball, protecting the quarterback and helps control the clock keeping the defense off the field...First round, Dallas has missed too often by not taking the safe pick, 30 years not taking an offensive line, Smith proved why that idea was flawed, give me more safe picks in the first round, so give me Decastro if he's there...
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04-26-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fanfromvirginia
Good point although that makes Barron pretty safe as well....
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ESPN is reporting that Dallas is going to have to move way up now to get Barron. The Bills and Chiefs are now both planning on drafting him. Yesterday, Jerry kept talking about moving up though so maybe we will.
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04-26-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski
Interior linemen make the pro bowl on name recognition moreso than any other position. It's only logical that 1st round picks at those positions make the pro bowl at a higher rate.
Plus interior linemen typically go later in the 1st round, which means more successful teams draft them and more successful teams get more pro bowlers, earned or not.
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yeah, Drafting interior linemen after the first round over the last 15 years have worked so well for the cowboys, Decastro is a special player, give me a 12 year probowl type player in the line of a Larry Allen or a Steve Hutchinson, than some project that has failed in the past in later rounds
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04-26-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SDCowboy85
ESPN is reporting that Dallas is going to have to move way up now to get Barron. The Bills and Chiefs are now both planning on drafting him. Yesterday, Jerry kept talking about moving up though so maybe we will.
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Moving up for Barron would be a HUGE mistake IMO. 
Captain Nathan Brittles: "Only the man who commands can be blamed. It rests on me... mission failure!"
"Jerry Jones is a billionaire fan who bought his own team for the express purpose of buying his way into the game. He wants to hang out with the players, stand in front of the cameras, be the face of the team (yech), make personnel moves as if this were a video game, and more than anything else, be seen as the guy who made it all happen."
THUMPER 10/14/2009
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04-26-2012
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Maybe it's just me, but if you are looking for safe picks I think Hightower is the safest pick. He may not be a need, but he's a good football player. I think he will have a better career than Upshaw. If we can trade down 2 or 3 slots he makes even more sense. I'd be perfectly happy with DeCastro or Barron since they are more of a need.
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04-26-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THUMPER
Moving up for Barron would be a HUGE mistake IMO. 
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I completely agree, especially for a safety......wouldn't mind a trade up for a player if the cowboys were 1 or 2 pieces away, but they aren't and I think Jerry is going to trade down if anything, not up!!
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04-26-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THUMPER
Moving up for Barron would be a HUGE mistake IMO. 
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Maybe but both players that could help us the most right out of the gate, Barron and DeCastro, we will likely have to move up for now.
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04-26-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Quest for Six
yeah, Drafting interior linemen after the first round over the last 15 years have worked so well for the cowboys, Decastro is a special player, give me a 12 year probowl type player in the line of a Larry Allen or a Steve Hutchinson, than some project that has failed in the past in later rounds
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Castro is not larry Allen or even in the same skill level remember Allen played LT, RT and then guard when he got older
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04-26-2012
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Only player we should trade up for is Claiborne. I'm against trading up for any other player on the board. I'm big time against trading up for Barron. If he is there at 14 and we are set on picking defense, then I'm ok with picking him. If we are going best player available and Barron and Decastro are there.. we should take Decastro but he is a sure thing..just like Tyron Smith was.
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04-26-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THUMPER
I think that is mainly because Guard, Center, TE, & Safety are not seen as high priority positions like QB, DE, OT, CB, are. So the only time a team will select one in the first round is when they are truly standouts at their position.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski
Interior linemen make the pro bowl on name recognition moreso than any other position. It's only logical that 1st round picks at those positions make the pro bowl at a higher rate.
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04-26-2012
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