A Tired Criticism: "We drafted backups!"

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

The drafting for backups label was a direct comment from Jerry Jones. It's about filling your draft with players you don't believe have the potential to start at some point in the future.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the players actually being backups year 1.

and it wasn't about drafting guys who projected as career backups. It was about getting, say a RB, whose job it would be to backup Emmitt Smith. Do you honestly think we intentionally passed up higher talent guys?

But please -- show me the "direct quote"

[DFWJC]

The stats say:
3rd round 25% chance starting at some point (no mention of how long)
4th round 19% chance
all round after 4th combined: 9% chance


I think the odds are better for Tyrone than 25%
I think the odds are better than 1 in 5 for our 4th rounders
I think if you combine all of the rest, the odds are better than 1/10

If you look at it that way, they did just fine.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by fivetwos

I'm not a kool-aid guy, but this was IMO by far the best draft they've had since 2005.

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What about last year? That was very solid, and if Carter pans out at all it will be excellent.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

The stats say:
3rd round 25% chance starting at some point (no mention of how long)
4th round 19% chance
all round after 4th combined: 9% chance


I think the odds are better for Tyrone than 25%
I think the odds are better than 1 in 5 for our 4th rounders
I think if you combine all of the rest, the odds are better than 1/10

If you look at it that way, they did just fine.

I don't know that I really like the "starter" definition. This is more about snap count than being a nominal starter. For example, if you look at how we run our offense, we have 11 "starters" but 2nd TE and 3rd WR are positions that are not usually defined as starters, but are usually high snap count players. Same with #2 RB.

On D, the 4th D-line guy, nickel ILB, and 3rd corner all fit that bill as well.

Looking at what we picked in rounds 3 and beyond, we grabbed guys who will immediately be in the mix for 4th DE, 2nd TE, and #3 WR. We got an OLB who has a chance to knock Spencer off the roster in 2013, and a guy who immediately jumps into the mix at safety.

Obviously, all of these guys aren't going to pan out -- but it is clear that we aren't targeting guys who project only as backups

[CowboyMcCoy]

Like with most draftees, we drafted "tweeners" Meaning they're between the college and pro level.

[Sam I Am]

Screw drafting backups. I want to draft the waterboy!

[esmith1790]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

What about last year? That was very solid, and if Carter pans out at all it will be excellent.

what is ur faith in Carter?

It seems that the cowboys dont really have any faith in him.

They signed Conner as ILB.

There was talk that if they didnt trade up for Claibornne, they would have taken another ILB in round 2. Then late in the draft they took another ILB.

why spend all those resources, unless you think Carter is not ready.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by esmith1790

what is ur faith in Carter?

It seems that the cowboys dont really have any faith in him.

They signed Conner as ILB.

There was talk that if they didnt trade up for Claibornne, they would have taken another ILB in round 2. Then late in the draft they took another ILB.

why spend all those resources, unless you think Carter is not ready.

Connor is a good run stopping ILB. Carter's real talent is in pass coverage. You need at least 3 ILBs.

You see, if you think thing through you can avoid silly questions

[esmith1790]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

Connor is a good run stopping ILB. Carter's real talent is in pass coverage. You need at least 3 ILBs.

You see, if you think thing through you can avoid silly questions

You think my question is silly?

So if they didnt do the trade they were going to draft another, ILB in the 2nd round.

Lee, Carter, Conner, (Bobby Wagner -2nd round pick), McSurdy.

So if they didnt do the trade, and still drafted Bobby Wagner to be an ILB.

Then who is the odd man out? Conner the guy u just signed do a deal? Carter is down the depth chart now?

Does your new toy, 2nd Round pick, Bobby Wagner get 4th ILB duties?

I dont think the cowboys have much faith in Carter, You cant keep drafting players to replace draft pics. You never get anywhere.

They should have said in round 2, Bobby Wagner???? Nope we got Carter and Conner. Lets draft a Center or OL.

So what would your depth chart be if they didnt make the trade and drafted Wagner?

[The30YardSlant]

IMO, if you don't come away with ONE player who can have a significant impact in year one in the last four rounds you failed. We'll see how we did a the season progresses. I really think Coale and Hanna can do some things from day one for us.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by esmith1790

You think my question is silly?

So if they didnt do the trade they were going to draft another, ILB in the 2nd round.

Lee, Carter, Conner, (Bobby Wagner -2nd round pick), McSurdy.

So if they didnt do the trade, and still drafted Bobby Wagner to be an ILB.

Then who is the odd man out? Conner the guy u just signed do a deal? Carter is down the depth chart now?

Does your new toy, 2nd Round pick, Bobby Wagner get 4th ILB duties?

I dont think the cowboys have much faith in Carter, You cant keep drafting players to replace draft pics. You never get anywhere.

They should have said in round 2, Bobby Wagner???? Nope we got Carter and Conner. Lets draft a Center or OL.

So what would your depth chart be if they didnt make the trade and drafted Wagner?

Connor signed a relatively light contract. A two year one at that. Wagner is a good player against the run ... a guy who in a year or two could take Connor's role.

Again, think it through kiddo.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by The30YardSlant

IMO, if you don't come away with ONE player who can have a significant impact in year one in the last four rounds you failed. We'll see how we did a the season progresses. I really think Coale and Hanna can do some things from day one for us.

So just about every team in the NFL ends up failing?

[The30YardSlant]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

So just about every team in the NFL ends up failing?

21 players drafted in rounds 4-7 of the 2011 draft started at least 6 games last year in the NFL. So, no.

[jimnabby]

Originally Posted by esmith1790

what is ur faith in Carter?

It seems that the cowboys dont really have any faith in him.

They signed Conner as ILB.

There was talk that if they didnt trade up for Claibornne, they would have taken another ILB in round 2. Then late in the draft they took another ILB.

why spend all those resources, unless you think Carter is not ready.

Before FA, we had two (2) ILBs on the roster. Total. One of them (Carter) will basically be a rookie. The Cowboys would be remiss if they didn't add a couple of them to the roster. Also, if they'd taken the ILB in round 2, they may have gone a different way in round 7.

The Cowboys say that they draft BPA, but then when they go out and do it, nobody believes them.

[Bowdown27]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Charlie Casserly thinks Crawford will get in the rotation and if not start this year will start by next year.

I saw him say that and that was a surprise to me. Hopefully this kid proved him right