Speculation: FSU and Clemson to big 12?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

This is a family friendly board and I would ask you to kindly keep your perverted questions to your self good Sir.

Doh!

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by The30YardSlant

It means that all the major conferences are cutting huge new TV deals, that isnt something just the Big XII has going for it. Hell the ACC has a great current deal in place that was larger than the one the Big XII had this past year.

I never said it was but it still has nothing to do with your original statement about the stability of the Big 12.

The PAC 12 just signed a new contract in 2011. I'd be very surprised if they had another deal in the works in the next two years. The SEC, they will probably get a new deal but the Big 12 will also get one for exactly the same reasons. It is being negotiated now but it's rumored to be in the area of 2.6 Billion. Can the SEC get a bigger deal? It's possible but again, it has nothing at all to do with why ACC teams would not jump to the Big 12.

[rkell87]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I never said it was but it still has nothing to do with your original statement about the stability of the Big 12.

The PAC 12 just signed a new contract in 2011. I'd be very surprised if they had another deal in the works in the next two years. The SEC, they will probably get a new deal but the Big 12 will also get one for exactly the same reasons. It is being negotiated now but it's rumored to be in the area of 2.6 Billion. Can the SEC get a bigger deal? It's possible but again, it has nothing at all to do with why ACC teams would not jump to the Big 12.

pretty sure i saw on espn this weekend that the deal has been agreed to verbally and is now just a matter crossing t's and dotting i's

[MC KAos]

here is an article about the rumors

http://saturdayblitz.com/2012/05/04/...s-run-rampant/

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

And football is what the conferences/superconferences are geared up for. Being a good basketball program would only be a bonus, but you better have a good football program first and foremost. And while FSU has struggled over recent years as far as winning, they do bring other aspects related to football to the table.

FSU is back. Check out the recruiting--it's back near the top after a 10+ year hiatus.
Don't be surprised if they are a top 5 team on a regular basis again as soon as 2014, maybe even next year.

If the Big 12 added those two schools, they just added two of the very best college football venues and fan bases around.
It'd be a huge get.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by MC KAos

here is an article about the rumors

http://saturdayblitz.com/2012/05/04/...s-run-rampant/

Realignment of the Big 12, as projected, is interesting. OU and Texas were not in the same Division. That would be good because that would set up a Championship Game with strong Powerhouse contenders from each Division but it could be bad in that the RR Rivalry game might go away. Will be interesting to see how all this plays out if true.

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is also talk that a combination of FSU, Clemson, GTech, Louisville, Cincy, BYU and Notre Dame (again) might join the Big 12. Obviously, the Big 12 really only needs 6 so it's fluid but those teams would be interesting. ND is obviously the most desired pick. Both the Big 10 and the Big 12 want ND.

[Sam I Am]

They are just going to have to name them "Big range(10, 30)".

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Sam I Am

They are just going to have to name them "Big range(10, 30)".

Big Country?

How bout, "Big Screwed Up Conference Located All Over The Damn Place Conference?"

[Rogah]

Originally Posted by The30YardSlant

I fully expect it to expand, I just expect that expansion to be along the lines of Louisville, Cincinnatti, etc.

And both the Pac-12 and SEC are preparing to sign multi-billion dollar television contracts within the next year that are expected to be the largest broadcasting contracts in the history of cable television, sports or otherwise. They will dwarf the NFL's cable contracts. They will essentially gurantee that every single Pac-12 and SEC game in both basketball and football will be able to be seen nationally by anyone with more than a basic cable package.

Whuh huh? These deals will "dwarf the NFL's cable contracts"? Wanna clarify that statement with actual numbers? By my calculations, 12 years of the Big 12 costs about the same as 2 years of the NFL. I doubt any new deal will alter that equation significantly.

[Joe Rod]

The Clemson President kind of belittled the Big Twelve in his denial.

‏@Mizzou2SEC
Clemson Prez told a Carolina radio station today that if CU had any interest in leaving the ACC, it "certainly wouldn't be for the Big12."

https://twitter.com/#!/Mizzou2SEC/st...69522294706177

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Joe Rod

The Clemson President kind of belittled the Big Twelve in his denial.

‏@Mizzou2SEC
Clemson Prez told a Carolina radio station today that if CU had any interest in leaving the ACC, it "certainly wouldn't be for the Big12."

https://twitter.com/#!/Mizzou2SEC/st...69522294706177

That's kinda disappointing but that's fine too. I know that FSU is under heavey pressure to make a move by all sides. That doesn't mean that they will come to the Big 12 but what are their options? I don't know that the SEC has room and even if they did, would they have interest in that? Geographically it makes sense and the comp is certainly good but would the SEC vote in FSU?

FSU reported a $2.4 million shortfall on its 2012-2013 athletic budget. That's a lot of money to just write off when they can be making more money if they join a Football Conference. The only three Conferences that would make sense for FSU would be the Big 10, the SEC and the Big 12. Only these conferences can support Football and the financial requirements FSU would need to see IMO. In the case of the Big 10, I doubt they would take FSU because of academic standards. This is very important to the Big 10 because they make even more money off of Federally funded research grants (Based On Academics) then they do sports. The SEC is a possability but can they expand more then they already have? I know this, Florida, Georgia and SC will not vote from them to enter. Right now, they recruite well against FSU and they don't share revenue. It's a big thing to be able to say FSU plays in the ACC, not in the SEC when recruiting against them. The inclusion of FSU in that region would not sit well with any of those schools, particularly UF. Florida has been against FSU since it started.

FSU can't stay in the ACC because of how the Bowl Alignment is shaping up. Your are going to have 4 or however many teams make the playoff. What are the chances that those 4 teams will be from The Big 10, SEC, Big 12 and PAC 12 over the ACC? If FSU ends up with a 11-1 or 10-2 record, what are the chances that they beat out good teams from any of those power conferences? FSU has to move out of the ACC if they are to survive. I think that the same can be said for Clemson but their President said what he said. That's fine but realistically, they aren't going to get an offer from the Big 10 or SEC either so honestly, he will be lucky if the Big 12 still wants that program. The Big 12 is in a good position to pick whomever they want to join and if that's the Ville or Cincy or BYU or perhaps ND, then sucks to be Clemson. I think that President is either very short sided or posturing but either way, he's not showing a whole lot of good judgement in this situation IMO.

[The30YardSlant]

Chuck Oliver seems to believe this won't happen, and that's putting it kindly...

http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/f...in-the-big-12/

Big 2, Little 8: When fans discuss FSU moving to the Big 12 they often talk about the excitement of football games and road trips to Texas and Oklahoma. True enough. Texas and OU are two of the most powerful , prominent and well-respected brands in all of college sports. These fans fail to acknowledge there are eight other members in the league. Do road trips to Lubbock and Waco, TX, Ames, IA and Morgantown, WV stack up favorably to Atlanta, Boston, Charlottesville, and Chapel Hill? Fact is, once you get past the Longhorns and Sooners the Big 12 is a stinker. In life you are the company you keep and FSU’s brand and reputation is vastly improved keeping company with the current members of the ACC.

[View Full Quote]The Big 12 hasn’t lost four of its best schools over the past two years because it’s a great place to be. Elite universities are fleeing the Big 12; why would FSU want to join it? If the Big 12 wasn’t good enough for Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M and Missouri – universities who lived in the Big 12 for years, competed in it for years, recruited in it for years, intimately understood the culture and political climate and are actually located in its footprint – then it can’t be good for Florida State. No one’s leaving the ACC despite what you read. The ACC is bedrock solid and has been for years while the Big 12 in each of the past two summers has been on the brink of extinction. Is it that hard for you to imagine something similar happening during the next round of conference expansion in five or six or eight or 10 years and seeing the Seminoles stuck in a Big 12 without Texas? It isn’t for me.

In language as simple as I can make it, NO UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT OR BOARD OF TRUSTEES WILL EVER LEAVE AN ASSOCIATION WITH SCHOOLS LIKE DUKE, UNC, WAKE FOREST, MIAMI, GEORGIA TECH, BOSTON COLLEGE AND VIRGINIA IN FAVOR OF ONE WITH TEXAS TECH, OKLAHOMA STATE, WEST VIRGINIA AND KANSAS STATE.


I am not against change. If FSU were presented an invitation to a better conference than the ACC, namely the SEC, I would advise the Seminoles take it. That invitation is not coming.

Dude is taking no prisoners.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by The30YardSlant

Chuck Oliver seems to believe this won't happen, and that's putting it kindly...

http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/f...in-the-big-12/





Dude is taking no prisoners.

This is about money. I don't buy what Oliver has to say here because the fact of the matter is that you could have an all star cast of schools in your Conference but if you can't pay the bills, then you have a problem. The Big 12 can offer relief in that area and the ACC can't. It's going to get worse for the ACC once this championship thing plays out. JMO

[The30YardSlant]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

This is about money. I don't buy what Oliver has to say here because the fact of the matter is that you could have an all star cast of schools in your Conference but if you can't pay the bills, then you have a problem. The Big 12 can offer relief in that area and the ACC can't. It's going to get worse for the ACC once this championship thing plays out. JMO

The Big XII and the ACC will ultimately end up in an arms race for the right to be the fourth "superconference" along with the Big 10, Pac-12 and SEC when the time comes. Expect the ACC to start launching salvos and trying to make sure they arent left without a chair when the music stops.