Speculation: FSU and Clemson to big 12?

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

this makes me smile

so many gomers like you keep claiming ND has no relevancy now
Your rant just proves otherwise

I love it

i try to put the really clueless people on ignore and alas occasionally click show post.... probably should have skipped that step here but alas.... i'll waste a little time....

i never said ND was irrelevant. apparently you have reading comprehension issues.

i wanted the big 12 to get notre dame and linked it as plausible a year ago or more.

ND was clearly the biggest re-alignment get out there. As BP noted however there was likely a caveat and that caveat was nasty indeed.
I am a Texas Tech fan and I'd have been supremely pissed if the Big 12 had given ND a free bowl tie-in for 5 games a season.

If the ACC can take this new ND get and turn it into tv money they win... if not they lose. It really is that simple. We saw with the Big East just having ND loosely attached isn't going to bring revenue.

As to the separate issue of ND football they just arent very good right now. In a real football conference they'd be a 2nd or 3rd tier team.

ND and UT are VERY similar. Both arrogant well beyond results on the field indicate they should be.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by trickblue

Enough with all of the numbers... doesn't work these days...

How about "Big Dogs"...

or Little SEC.

[MC KAos]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Yep

Despite everything Texas still is less well known around the Country then NOTRE DAME.

snicker

and neil degrasse tyson is less well known than kim kardashian, what does that matter? Texas makes more money and puts out a better product than ND on the field, sorry, but ND only matters to old geezers stuck in the olden days.

[trickblue]

Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

or Little SEC.

Naahhh... these two conferences are WAY above the rest right now... you can certainly make a case for the Pac 12 at times... or the Big 10...

The Big East is falling as is the ACC...

I think eventually we have 4 Super Conferences... I don't like it, but the money is pushing us there...

[Rogah]

Originally Posted by jterrell

ROFL. Are you serious? NC State and their fan base will care VERY much. VERY much indeed. Being second class citizens to UNC is bad enough but getting bumped for a team they get to play every 4 years? They will be irate. And then the next year it is likely another team. The Belk Bowl actually makes money. That next bowl bump down is what the cost-laden Sun Bowl? Oh yea, bro, they will care.

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I live in Durham, North Carolina, and I am currently a graduate student at North Carolina State University. No one around here would give the slightest darn about one minor bowl as opposed to another, period, end of discussion. Football is just something people do to pass time before basketball practices start. Plenty of great seats were available to last year's bowl game, which was actually a darn good one.

People on campus think it's pretty cool we'll be seeing Notre Dame every once in a while. There's no anger and no one's irate, except in your imagination.

Originally Posted by jterrell

The last 7 years ND has won 9, 10, 3, 7, 6, 8, 8, Using the new ACC math you give ND 1 extra win per season as you figure out Bowl games. Going back that means ND takes the TOP bowl spot 3 times!!!

Notre Dame went to the BCS in the first 2 of those years, so when they go to the BCS, the ACC doesn't lose anything.

Originally Posted by jterrell

They take the 2nd bowl spot in 2 other seasons. So in 5 out of 7 years they would have cost the ACC money. Arguably 6 out of 7 seasons because the 6 win team would have likely taken a final money-making bowl from a 7-4 ACC team like Miami.

I notice you didn't answer my question about when the ACC has had 2 BCS bowl teams. Why's that? Could it be because you're just making crap up to support your point and when you got called out on it, you decided to just ignore the question and hope no one noticed?

Notre Dame will not affect the ACC's ability to send the conference champion to the BCS (Orange Bowl). The rest is inconsequential.

[Rogah]

Originally Posted by jterrell

The ACC doesn't choose, the bowls do. That's the issue with the ND tie-in. ALL bowls will choose ND over EVERY ACC team with 1 more win.

A 10 win FSU team could get bumped from the Chik-Fil-A bowl over a 9 win ND team. If that happens and it costs FSU ~5mil expect more disharmony than ever before.

First of all, the payout is $4 million.

Second of all, you seem not to realize that even if your made up hypothetical scenario comes to pass, Florida State wouldn't go from a $4 million payout to nothing. They'd go from about $4 million to about $3 million.

The fact that you have to constantly lie and exaggerate to make your point shows how weak your point really is.

Just out of curiousity, since you're so concerned about Notre Dame taking a BCS spot from the ACC, when has the ACC ever sent 2 teams to the BCS?

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by MC KAos

and neil degrasse tyson is less well known than kim kardashian, what does that matter? Texas makes more money and puts out a better product than ND on the field, sorry, but ND only matters to old geezers stuck in the olden days.

but it clearly rankles you and that is what I love

Lets see- how many years has Mack Brown raked in the recruits and how many championships has he had?

No coach has ever done less with more

If it was not for Oklahoma losing just about every time it got to the big dance Texas would be the real joke

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

but it clearly rankles you and that is what I love

Lets see- how many years has Mack Brown raked in the recruits and how many championships has he had?

No coach has ever done less with more

If it was not for Oklahoma losing just about every time it got to the big dance Texas would be the real joke

I side with you on the the ND to ACC plusses, but I disagree on Mack Brown.

Since he's been there, his team ranks about 4th or 5th overall (a high as 3rd by some) in recuriting.

Texas has the highest winning percentage of any program froma BCS confercne this decade.

Plus, his team has one one BCS Title and gone to another title game only to lose when the QB got hurt. The also were in the running to make other Champ games too--which is all you can ask.

That would also make it top 5 in the category too.


There's Alabama and LSU....but after that, who has done any better?
Anyway, recruiting is a very large part of the equation in college head coaching. It is one of the measurements...you could be great with x and o's at that level, but if you don't have the players, you don't get the BCS titles.

I'm with you on the other argument, but the Brown critics sometime remind me of the Romo ciritcs...there's a need to look at the actual data.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

I side with you on the the ND to ACC plusses, but I disagree on Mack Brown.

Since he's been there, his team ranks about 4th or 5th overall (a high as 3rd by some) in recuriting.

Texas has the highest winning percentage of any program froma BCS confercne this decade.

Plus, his team has one one BCS Title and gone to another title game only to lose when the QB got hurt. The also were in the running to make other Champ games too--which is all you can ask.

That would also make it top 5 in the category too.


There's Alabama and LSU....but after that, who has done any better?
Anyway, recruiting is a very large part of the equation in college head coaching. It is one of the measurements...you could be great with x and o's at that level, but if you don't have the players, you don't get the BCS titles.

[View Full Quote]I'm with you on the other argument, but the Brown critics sometime remind me of the Romo ciritcs...there's a need to look at the actual data.

Sorry but if you claim that Mack Brown has not had sufficient talent to win more than ONE Championship; or only make it to one championship game, that is BS.

Show me who else other than Mack Brown over the last ten years has had such high recruiting classes consistently.

Top 5 just about every single year. And only ONE ring.

Yes he has done less with more.

[dogunwo]

Originally Posted by Rogah

First of all, the payout is $4 million.

Second of all, you seem not to realize that even if your made up hypothetical scenario comes to pass, Florida State wouldn't go from a $4 million payout to nothing. They'd go from about $4 million to about $3 million.

The fact that you have to constantly lie and exaggerate to make your point shows how weak your point really is.

Just out of curiousity, since you're so concerned about Notre Dame taking a BCS spot from the ACC, when has the ACC ever sent 2 teams to the BCS?

Just this past season, both Clemson and Virginia Tech went to BCS bowls. Clemson as the conference champion, Virginia Tech as an at large.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Sorry but if you claim that Mack Brown has not had sufficient talent to win more than ONE Championship; or only make it to one championship game, that is BS.

Show me who else other than Mack Brown over the last ten years has had such high recruiting classes consistently.

Top 5 just about every single year. And only ONE ring.

Yes he has done less with more.

Just giving you the facts. Take every school's recruiting class ranking over the last 10 years and Texas comes in anywhere from 3rd to 5th.
Their regular season record is 1st, and their post season record is top 5.

The have one title-- 3 teams have more. They've played in two title games...which is also top 5.

It adds up to doing what you should do....if you have a top 5 class, you should have a top 5 program on average. That is what they have.

By your argument, USC, OU, Ohio State, and many others should also have more than 1 title. Georgia should at least have one.
But they don't.
7 different schools have won titles the last decade.
The SEC has won 6 in a row and the team that last won before them was Texas.

In 14 years, the BCS titles have gone current cof members of the
8 SEC
2 Big 12
2 ACC
1 Big Ten
1 Pac 10

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

Just giving you the facts. Take every school's recruiting class ranking over the last 10 years and Texas comes in anywhere from 3rd to 5th.
Their regular season record is 1st, and their post season record is top 5.

The have one title-- 3 teams have more. They've played in two title games...which is also top 5.

It adds up to doing what you should do....if you have a top 5 class, you should have a top 5 program on average. That is what they have.

By your argument, USC, OU, Ohio State, and many others should also have more than 1 title. Georgia should at least have one.
But they don't.
7 different schools have won titles the last decade.
The SEC has won 6 in a row and the team that last won before them was Texas.

In 14 years, the BCS titles have gone current cof members of the
8 SEC
2 Big 12
2 ACC
1 Big Ten
1 Pac 10

Show me who else has had such a stable staff. Which should count as well.

Every one of those teams mentioned outside of Oklahoma has had different head coaches in the last ten years.



Do all the tap dancing you want but Mack Brown has underperformed.

[Cheez]

I do think Mack Brown has underperformed Stoops, but Texas has a more natural recruiting advantage than Oklahoma.

[Aikbach]

Originally Posted by Cheez

I do think Mack Brown has underperformed Stoops, but Texas has a more natural recruiting advantage than Oklahoma.

They're pretty much equally yoked in history and regional big program appeal. Barry Switzer and Darrel Royal saw to that.

[Rogah]

Originally Posted by dogunwo

Just this past season, both Clemson and Virginia Tech went to BCS bowls. Clemson as the conference champion, Virginia Tech as an at large.

Right, and that was the first and only time it has happened (and given the way Clemson performed, I wouldn't blame the BCS if they took away the ACC's automatic bid).

It's a ridiculously weak statement to suggest that Notre Dame would potentially take away a BCS bowl slot from the ACC. First of all, that could happen anyway. Any time Notre Dame goes to the BCS, they're taking a slot away from someone else. That "someone else" could be a Big 10 team, SEC team, ACC team, whatever.

Second of all, while I know there's a rule that says no conference can send 3 teams to the BCS, AFAIK there's no reason that Notre Dame going to the BCS would automatically mean the ACC could only send 1 team. In other words, Notre Dame going to the BCS does punish some conference, but not necessarily the ACC.

And 3rd of all, as you mentioned, the ACC sending 2 teams to the BCS is so rare, it really isn't a legit argument against this move.