Speculation: FSU and Clemson to big 12?

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Cheez

I do think Mack Brown has underperformed Stoops, but Texas has a more natural recruiting advantage than Oklahoma.

Its an interesting arguement about which is better:

Getting to the big dance twice as often but then getting blown out once there.

[Aikbach]

Originally Posted by Rogah

Right, and that was the first and only time it has happened (and given the way Clemson performed, I wouldn't blame the BCS if they took away the ACC's automatic bid).

It's a ridiculously weak statement to suggest that Notre Dame would potentially take away a BCS bowl slot from the ACC. First of all, that could happen anyway. Any time Notre Dame goes to the BCS, they're taking a slot away from someone else. That "someone else" could be a Big 10 team, SEC team, ACC team, whatever.

Second of all, while I know there's a rule that says no conference can send 3 teams to the BCS, AFAIK there's no reason that Notre Dame going to the BCS would automatically mean the ACC could only send 1 team. In other words, Notre Dame going to the BCS does punish some conference, but not necessarily the ACC.

And 3rd of all, as you mentioned, the ACC sending 2 teams to the BCS is so rare, it really isn't a legit argument against this move.

The VT BCS bid was a slap in the face to the more deserving Kansas State at that.

[dogunwo]

Originally Posted by Rogah

Right, and that was the first and only time it has happened (and given the way Clemson performed, I wouldn't blame the BCS if they took away the ACC's automatic bid).

It's a ridiculously weak statement to suggest that Notre Dame would potentially take away a BCS bowl slot from the ACC. First of all, that could happen anyway. Any time Notre Dame goes to the BCS, they're taking a slot away from someone else. That "someone else" could be a Big 10 team, SEC team, ACC team, whatever.

Second of all, while I know there's a rule that says no conference can send 3 teams to the BCS, AFAIK there's no reason that Notre Dame going to the BCS would automatically mean the ACC could only send 1 team. In other words, Notre Dame going to the BCS does punish some conference, but not necessarily the ACC.

And 3rd of all, as you mentioned, the ACC sending 2 teams to the BCS is so rare, it really isn't a legit argument against this move.

I think you are responding to the wrong person, I was just answering your question about ACC and BCS bowls.

[burmafrd]

somewhat off topic but still...


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-...99--ncaaf.html


I knew they had attendance problems but this?

[dogunwo]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

somewhat off topic but still...


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-...99--ncaaf.html


I knew they had attendance problems but this?

The problem with Miami fans is that they are so fair weathered because there is so much other stuff to do in Miami. If they aren't being entertained by the team, then why bother.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by Rogah

First of all, the payout is $4 million.

Second of all, you seem not to realize that even if your made up hypothetical scenario comes to pass, Florida State wouldn't go from a $4 million payout to nothing. They'd go from about $4 million to about $3 million.

The fact that you have to constantly lie and exaggerate to make your point shows how weak your point really is.

Just out of curiousity, since you're so concerned about Notre Dame taking a BCS spot from the ACC, when has the ACC ever sent 2 teams to the BCS?

Try last year....
Clemson to the get beat down by WVA bowl and Va Tech to the Sugar Bowl.
29 mil of the 40m the ACC made in bowl payouts came from those two games. Another 5 from the Chik-Fil-A bowl.

Arent you glad you asked that same question 3 times???

Secondly, you are delusional if you think NC State fans won't be PO'd when they get bumped down in the bowl order for ND. They very well will be. EVERY fan base is mad when that happens.
As to on campus... who cares. We are talking about real fans that spend real money every year not drunk college students who are gone in 2-5 years.


http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/...o-top-40m.html



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As you see the Sun Bowl payout is 2.9 m less than the Chik-Fil-A bowl. But in reality it costs a university much more because it has to send it's representatives to El Paso, Texas not the hub of the southeast, Atlanta. It also costs them prestige and exposure. 2m is a fair estimate in cash difference form the bowl pay out ,minus expenses ALONE. Reality is it is far more than that.

Going to the right Bowl games, very much matters. Especially in cities like Dallas, ATL where you can use that to help recruit. But even bigger, boosters pay for success. They donate more money when you are going to good bowl games than when you are not. They buy more school gear. The 5 mil number came from a Clemson fan forum. A study found it is worth 5m for Clemson to be in the Chik-Fil-A bowl versus the next bowl down. Check 247tigers....

[Rogah]

Originally Posted by Aikbach

The VT BCS bid was a slap in the face to the more deserving Kansas State at that.

True dat.

[Rogah]

Originally Posted by jterrell

Try last year....
Clemson to the get beat down by WVA bowl and Va Tech to the Sugar Bowl.
29 mil of the 40m the ACC made in bowl payouts came from those two games. Another 5 from the Chik-Fil-A bowl.

Arent you glad you asked that same question 3 times???

Since I had to ask it 3 times just to get you to answer it, yes I am. You've proven the point I was making, tyvm.

Originally Posted by jterrell

Secondly, you are delusional if you think NC State fans won't be PO'd when they get bumped down in the bowl order for ND. They very well will be. EVERY fan base is mad when that happens.
As to on campus... who cares. We are talking about real fans that spend real money every year not drunk college students who are gone in 2-5 years.

Sure thing buddy. I live right in the heart of ACC country, I attend NC State and I go to NC State football games several times per year. I know countless undergraduate students, graduate students, alumni, professors and administrators here in the triangle. But you have a better grasp of what NC State fans are thinking and feeling about this whole thing than I do. Yup. Right. Uh huh.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I too have a hard time believing that no objections would be had if the scenario outlined previously played out. If NCSt. had no issues with that, then I think I've found the problem with NCSt. Football. No University should be OK with that. That's just my opinion.