Scandricks contract and Mike Jenkins

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

Doea Jenkins ever play the slot or nickel. You can't cut scandrick right now after the season and save, the cap hit will be bigger than what you will pay him next year. Sorry to tell ya, Jenkins is gone after thia year. Sorry i was wrong for calling him small, but he Isnt going to be in Dallas after this year

What would the cap hit be if we kept Scandrick, and what would it be if we cut him after the season?

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

This makes no sense at all. You just admitted than Jenkins is far better than Scandrick you have him as the fourth corner? Ridiculous.

Did you read anything I just wrote. I said Jenkins Is better on the outside. But your nickel back is your #3 CB. Also we cant release scandrick with out a big cap hit and Jenkins isn't going to sign to be a #3 when he can get starter money.
Overall I think Jenkins is a better cb than scandrick, but Dallas has scandrick out there on the nickel not Jenkins. That makes scandrick our #3.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

Did you read anything I just wrote. I said Jenkins Is better on the outside. But your nickel back is your #3 CB. Also we cant release scandrick with out a big cap hit and Jenkins isn't going to sign to be a #3 when he can get starter money.
Overall I think Jenkins is a better cb than scandrick, but Dallas has scandrick out there on the nickel not Jenkins. That makes scandrick our #3.

So again, what would Scandrick's cap number be for us if we keep him next year, and what will it be if we cut him after this season?

Also, you can call Scandrick whatever number on the depth chart that you want, but Jenkins plays more because he's better..

..far better.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

Sorry.. 12 lbs heavier.. not 10. As if any of us knows their actual weights in the first place.

Point was he's not that much smaller, and not "small" for CB at all.

I don't think he makes nearly as many "business decisions" as people want to believe. I think he made one or two of them during 2009 or 2010 and since then people want to jump all over how he's "soft" or "lazy" or he "takes plays off", etc, etc.. when none of that is true at all.

[View Full Quote]He had one bad season in 2010.. other than that, he's been an above average corner and a guy that has been the only guy in our secondary who makes plays on the ball. He was injured almost all of last season and still played hard every down. His down season in 2010.. when our entire defense quit on themselves.. he was one of the only ones i saw giving solid effort throughout that crappy time for our team. He was always right with his guy, just always seemed a step late in making the play to knock the ball away.

Anyway.. the guy is a really good corner, and if we let him go, we will miss him here. Some of you bashing him.. get ready to see more of OS in the next few years and really seeing what a crappy CB looks like. Personally i'd cut Scandrick after the year and use the savings for a percentage of what we give Jenkins to sign him to a new deal. In this league, you pretty much start 3 CB's anyway now. With those three we'd be set for years.

ROFL. I am one of Mike Jenkins' biggest fans.

Jenkins is significantly smaller than Carr. Unless of course he magically grew since the combine. Those heights/weights are official and well documented.

Carr plays a physical game at the line of scrimmage and is a tough tackler. He never seems to pull up gimpy after these hits.
Mike Jenkins is not. He has stuck his head in there to make tackles before but he comes up banged up a lot in those exchanges. At 5'10" and under 200 pounds he just isn't a really big guy. 12 pounds is actually a fair amount; especially when it is muscle. But the truth is Jenkins probably plays closer to 185. He is a smallish guy with a slight build and would have wanted to add weight for the combine. Carr is a naturally bigger guy.

Those aren't knocks they are just basic facts.

I'd love to keep Jenkins. I'd entertain franchising him if we had to to keep him. I love the defense we have now that we have a handful of quality cover guys and hate to lose 1 for nothing.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

What would the cap hit be if we kept Scandrick, and what would it be if we cut him after the season?

good question. Scandrick cap hit next year will be 3.78 million if on the team, if released he will be a 6.52 million cap hit.

Then you need to also remember we have a 5 million fine we have to pay. I believe as of now we will have almost 20 million is cap space next year, Adam could probably answer this better, then the 5 million fine. Then you will have to most likely franchise Jenkins which will be 10 million for a CB. Jenkins will get offers to be atleast a #2 CB elsewhere which will be more than we will be able to offer him.
So if you release Scandrick it will be a 2.74 million add on, then 10 million to jenkins which will be 12.74 million of the 15 million available to spend. So where do we look at helping the OL or any other hole. It just can't happen.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by jterrell

ROFL. I am one of Mike Jenkins' biggest fans.

Jenkins is significantly smaller than Carr. Unless of course he magically grew since the combine. Those heights/weights are official and well documented.

Carr plays a physical game at the line of scrimmage and is a tough tackler. He never seems to pull up gimpy after these hits.
Mike Jenkins is not. He has stuck his head in there to make tackles before but he comes up banged up a lot in those exchanges. At 5'10" and under 200 pounds he just isn't a really big guy. 12 pounds is actually a fair amount; especially when it is muscle. But the truth is Jenkins probably plays closer to 185. He is a smallish guy with a slight build and would have wanted to add weight for the combine. Carr is a naturally bigger guy.

Those aren't knocks they are just basic facts.

[View Full Quote]I'd love to keep Jenkins. I'd entertain franchising him if we had to to keep him. I love the defense we have now that we have a handful of quality cover guys and hate to lose 1 for nothing.

Im not denying that you are a fan of Jenkins.. clearly you are and realize his value to this team.

Im just stating that i don't feel like 10 lbs lighter is a significant difference and i don't feel like Jenkins is "small" for the position at all. Jenkins doesn't have a safety type build.. but he's a pure cover corner. The effort is still there in his tackling though and he made a couple hits last year that were bigger than any other DB on the team, CB or S. Sure he may come up roughed up a bit, but he played through the pain. Gotta give him credit for that.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

So again, what would Scandrick's cap number be for us if we keep him next year, and what will it be if we cut him after this season?

Also, you can call Scandrick whatever number on the depth chart that you want, but Jenkins plays more because he's better..

..far better.

yes he is better far better on the outside. But Scandrick job is the nickel, and gets paid like the nickel. He is to man the slot and not the outside. Thats why we spend all the money on Carr and traded up to get Claiborne.No matter how great Jenkins plays he isn't going to sign to stay a #3 rather we cut Scandrick or not, and we won't have the money to franchise Jenkins.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

good question. Scandrick cap hit next year will be 3.78 million if on the team, if released he will be a 6.52 million cap hit.

Then you need to also remember we have a 5 million fine we have to pay. I believe as of now we will have almost 20 million is cap space next year, Adam could probably answer this better, then the 5 million fine. Then you will have to most likely franchise Jenkins which will be 10 million for a CB. Jenkins will get offers to be atleast a #2 CB elsewhere which will be more than we will be able to offer him.
So if you release Scandrick it will be a 2.74 million add on, then 10 million to jenkins which will be 12.74 million of the 15 million available to spend. So where do we look at helping the OL or any other hole. It just can't happen.

Not to be picky, but can i get some sort of link for where you are finding these figures?

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

yes he is better far better on the outside. But Scandrick job is the nickel, and gets paid like the nickel. He is to man the slot and not the outside. Thats why we spend all the money on Carr and traded up to get Claiborne.No matter how great Jenkins plays he isn't going to sign to stay a #3 rather we cut Scandrick or not, and we won't have the money to franchise Jenkins.

How the hell do you know that? You're not his agent.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

Im not denying that you are a fan of Jenkins.. clearly you are and realize his value to this team.

Im just stating that i don't feel like 10 lbs lighter is a significant difference and i don't feel like Jenkins is "small" for the position at all. Jenkins doesn't have a safety type build.. but he's a pure cover corner. The effort is still there in his tackling though and he made a couple hits last year that were bigger than any other DB on the team, CB or S. Sure he may come up roughed up a bit, but he played through the pain. Gotta give him credit for that.

you right, he manned up and play through pain last year. I give him credit and I wish him the best. I hope he plays great for us and makes us miss him next year. I want as many great CBs on this team as possible but with the salary cap and other holes that needs more attention we can't afford to franchise Jenkins.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

How the hell do you know that? You're not his agent.

why would he? I might not be his agent but its called common sense. Jerry goes, "Jenks we will give you Scandricks money or you can take that 40 million offered with 22 million guaranteed to you by jacksonville and be their starting right side CB or you can just stay here as the #3 and take the 12 million guaranteed, I'm sure your ready to sign with us"

Yeah right

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

Not to be picky, but can i get some sort of link for where you are finding these figures?

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-co...ndo-scandrick/

then go to the nfl and read about how the signing bonus and restructure bonus is prorated so if you release a player the prorated money comes off the cap that year.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

why would he? I might not be his agent but its called common sense. Jerry goes, "Jenks we will give you Scandricks money or you can take that 40 million offered with 22 million guaranteed to you by jacksonville and be their starting right side CB or you can just stay here as the #3 and take the 12 million guaranteed, I'm sure your ready to sign with us"

Yeah right

Play on a good team and its not like he wouldn't play. Teams nowadays with it being a passing league are constantly running three wide out sets which obviously means you need to have three solid corner backs. Plus it's Rob's current system at times one of corners will play safety.

[RoyTheHammer]

Quick FYI.. for those of you who enjoy vomiting:

Scandrick is counting 7.7 million against the cap this year, which is more than any other player on the roster not named Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, or Doug Free.

Unreal how we make such mind-numbing mistakes like this.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

Play on a good team and its not like he wouldn't play. Teams nowadays with it being a passing league are constantly running three wide out sets which obviously means you need to have three solid corner backs. Plus it's Rob's current system at times one of corners will play safety.

ok and when we put three Cbs on the field now its Carr, Clai, and Scandrick. Jenkins is going to want to be a every down CB starter and paid like one. We wont have the money to franchise him. Also he held out this offseason for a new contract. jerry didn't budge one inch. Sorry dude but he is gone after this year.