FWST: Why are the Cowboys holding on to Matt Johnson? Jason Garrett explains - Page 2 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

theogt · 09-30-2012

So for a 4th round pick, people think this should happen?

1. Looks good to scouts.
3. Injured.
4. Looks good in practice.
5. Injured.
6. Cut him?

Yeah, that's just stupid. That he even had to explain why he's on the roster is amazing. Our fans are idiots.

RoyTheHammer · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by theogt

So for a 4th round pick, people think this should happen?

1. Looks good to scouts.
3. Injured.
4. Looks good in practice.
5. Injured.
6. Cut him?

Yeah, that's just stupid. That he even had to explain why he's on the roster is amazing. Our fans are idiots.

..and our beat guys. I can't even imagine how someone sat in there and with a straight face asked that retarded question.

Of course, if some of our fans had their way we'd have cut half the team by now..

speedkilz88 · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by theogt

So for a 4th round pick, people think this should happen?

1. Looks good to scouts.
3. Injured.
4. Looks good in practice.
5. Injured.
6. Cut him?

Yeah, that's just stupid. That he even had to explain why he's on the roster is amazing. Our fans are idiots.

Yes, they are.

AdamJT13 · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Maxmadden

I can't believe so many people are willing to bash this guy when they have never even seen him play.

So many people are willing to bash this guy BECAUSE they have never even seen him play.

Future · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by CowboysYanksLakers

Waste of roster space... Sorry just MY opinion!

Yea....he could be on practice squad right now and a vet - even if pickings are slim right now - could have that spot to add better depth. The guy just won't see the field until he's healthy, and nobody's going to claim him I wouldn't think.

That doesn't mean that down the road he can't be a good player, but right now, he's a nobody.

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Originally Posted by myslamsareolder

Lee and Carter both sat on the roster without playing for most of their first year. Lee has been a stud since and Carter looks to be following the same path. I understand they were both graded as top picks, but it comes down to you don't give up on players you believe in. I think they believe in Johnson.

Well...Lee played in 14 games as a rookie, had a pick 6 and a forced fumble. I'm pretty sure he got hurt as well. Carter didn't play only because of injuries. Hard to compare them to Johnson imo.

Fredd · 09-30-2012

Personally, I can't wait to see him playing on sundays based on what the team says about him...I am patient, but I wish the guy was ready to go now (of course)...

J-DOG · 09-30-2012

I seem to remember a wr that Dallas drafted in the early 90's that went to a small school and was always injured. Kid had a lot of talent but he never seemed to be healthy..after a couple of years the Boys released him. We never saw Kevin Williams or anyone else step up to be that other guy next to Michael Irvin.
Meanwhile Jimmy Smith the player we gave up on went to to have a stellar career in Jacksonville.
I'm not saying that Matt Johnson is the equivalent of Jimmy Smith at wr but I am saying that if you liked that player you drafted and you are not sold on other players who play that position...safety...why in the world would you release him?
In case anybody is noticing...we are thin at the safety position. Which means to me that we have a lack of talent and/or experience at the position. Johnson lacks experience but he may have the talent to play in this league...and play well. You don't throw that away. Jimmy Smith should have taught us that.

Kilyin · 09-30-2012

I think the question is more along the lines of why has he taken a roster spot for 4 weeks now when he could have been put on PUP or the new 'bring one player back' IR. If he plays it won't be before week 6 or 7 anyway.

RoyTheHammer · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Kilyin

I think the question is more along the lines of why has he taken a roster spot for 4 weeks now when he could have been put on PUP or the new 'bring one player back' IR. If he plays it won't be before week 6 or 7 anyway.

I think if there was anyone out there that we really wanted to sign and would actually contribute to our football team, there are plenty of guys we could release that are giving us nothing. I just don't think its something that the coaches feel is necessary right now because there's no one out there that's going to help us anyway.

How bout that Peter Frampton signing? Really made you jump out of your seat in joy, didn't it? Haha.

baj1dallas · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by theogt

Yeah, that's just stupid. That he even had to explain why he's on the roster is amazing. Our fans are idiots.

I can see how you could think that maybe he should be put on IR. But there's no way that a fan can know the likely timetable for his return, so how can anybody unequivocally say what should be done? Rob Ryan knows more about the guy than everybody on the board combined.

Deep_Freeze · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by J-DOG

I'm not saying that Matt Johnson is the equivalent of Jimmy Smith at wr but I am saying that if you liked that player you drafted and you are not sold on other players who play that position...safety...why in the world would you release him?
In case anybody is noticing...we are thin at the safety position. Which means to me that we have a lack of talent and/or experience at the position. Johnson lacks experience but he may have the talent to play in this league...and play well. You don't throw that away. Jimmy Smith should have taught us that.

Well, for some reason in Dallas, we have to question everything they do, no matter what. Sometimes its gets to the point of being stupid, but thats Dallas for you.

Matt is a small school guy with more talent than anyone we have at safety (with that said, doesn't say much for what we have at safety). To IR him at this point, especially when the back issue was unforseen and he could be back after the bye, would be insane.

I wait on Matt for potential alone, cause I would ALMOST rather take my lumps and give him snaps over McCray to be honest.

ConstantReboot · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by theogt

So for a 4th round pick, people think this should happen?

1. Looks good to scouts.
3. Injured.
4. Looks good in practice.
5. Injured.
6. Cut him?

Yeah, that's just stupid. That he even had to explain why he's on the roster is amazing. Our fans are idiots.

I don't think we can judge him by just a few snaps in practice since he gets injured all the time.

DallasDW00ds0n · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Maxmadden

I can't believe so many people are willing to bash this guy when they have never even seen him play. The coaches have seen something they like and are willing to be patient with him. There are people on this board who think even if they have seen a player play, they are qualified to make a judgement on a particuliar player. Meanwhile, they struggle to get the pizza sign to light up on top of their car.

The coaches and scouts spend hours upon hours watching film and watching players practice. They have seen something in this kid. They are not cutting him, they are not putting him on the IR, they are preparing him to contibute. Those are the facts. Wether he will pan out or flame out is another story. Ultimately we have to trust the coaches and wait and see.

Just bc it's their job doesn't mean they do it well.

myslamsareolder · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Future

Yea....he could be on practice squad right now and a vet - even if pickings are slim right now - could have that spot to add better depth. The guy just won't see the field until he's healthy, and nobody's going to claim him I wouldn't think.

That doesn't mean that down the road he can't be a good player, but right now, he's a nobody.

Well...Lee played in 14 games as a rookie, had a pick 6 and a forced fumble. I'm pretty sure he got hurt as well. Carter didn't play only because of injuries. Hard to compare them to Johnson imo.

Your point? Those 14 games were like all on the bench. Also that pick six was really late in the year. You do realize its only week 4 right? And that Church is done? Who's to say what happens. They are keeping him for a reason and I trust them more than you.

myslamsareolder · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by ConstantReboot

I would agree with you - however you can't really compare the skillset of Johnson to that of either Lee and Carter. Both Lee and Carter came from excellent NCAA programs and was projected as high round picks. As for Johnson many believe he was a reach since he came from a small school and as you can see his not really as durable either Lee or Carter.

Yes they may be believe that he has something. But I have my doubts. Especially when they easily gave up on Mana Silva who is more athletic and faster than Johnson, played NCAA ball and had 8 INTs as a safety in his senior year in college.

Oh I know they aren't super good comparisons, but the point is that you don't give up on players you believe in. They love his football IQ and skill set. He hasn't been able to show it off yet. A hurt Johnson is still on the team and a healthy Silva is not. I think that says what they think of Silva. And again, I trust them more than you too.