Help Sell Me On Jason Garrett

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

Spare me the ignorant high horse talk.. and it was pretty clear that you were accusing him of creating the thread based on some ulterior motive that you thought he had, rather than him simply creating it for what it was.. a thread to try and find some positives that can be said for JG at this point.

In accusing him of being nothing but negative.. you were only being negative yourself.

The only ignorance displayed was you not only not understanding what I was saying, turning it into what you want it to say and than arguing with yourself over what you created. And you are STILL getting it wrong.

So...you are wrong in what I was saying. You also tried to twist what I was saying into your own meaning and if that is not bad enough you start arguing against what you are saying even though you twisted what I was saying.

You are on a record pace of wrong. You are so far ahead that I don't think anyone else has a chance at the medal.

I will go back to something I originally said, and of course you apparently glossed over, the only thing that will truly change minds is results on the field an until they change from a .500 team win loss results the opinion will not change.

Those that think he is great and doing the right thing will keep on thinking that for now.
Those that thing he is terrible and we need to change coaches will keep on thinking that for now.

The only thing that will change that is putting more Wins instead of Losses in the column and that includes the playoffs.

This is not magic. You can try to twist words and meanings to fit whatever goofy agenda or idea you have and then you can argue it till the cows come home...it will not change the fact that you are wrong.

[DallasDW00ds0n]

what has this thread come to!!?

Lets talk about football...

We need to ban topics of Garrett and Jerry Jones until AFTER Sunday.

The bye week destroyed this forum. lol

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Numbers921

Nah, Garrett's been here since 2007, buddy.

You don't change culture as an OC.

[bigdnlaca]

I'm not going to lie. I was kind of a Garrett basher but it got me thinking how Coughlin was. They wanted him out in 09 and 10 if I'm not mistaken and they just went on to win the SB in 11.

My conclusion is to give Garrett the year. If he stinks up the joint these next 10 plus games, I think they should go a different way but this season is still up for grabs in NFC East and the Cowboys might show improvement in the next month or 2.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

The only ignorance displayed was you not only not understanding what I was saying, turning it into what you want it to say and than arguing with yourself over what you created. And you are STILL getting it wrong.

So...you are wrong in what I was saying. You also tried to twist what I was saying into your own meaning and if that is not bad enough you start arguing against what you are saying even though you twisted what I was saying.

You are on a record pace of wrong. You are so far ahead that I don't think anyone else has a chance at the medal.

So again.. the poster was simply asking for some positives about JG that anyone has seen to help lift his strong negative image of the guy so far, and you implied and assumed right away that the OP had some ulterior motive in asking as if he didn't really want to hear anything positive and was going to dismiss everything positive that anyone said anyway, and only made the post in an underhanded attempt to further criticize JG.

You can continue with these posts of nonsense, but it was pretty clear what you implied and assumed, brain.

..and again, in accusing him of just wanting to be negative about the topic, that's all you ended up being.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by bigdnlaca

I'm not going to lie. I was kind of a Garrett basher but it got me thinking how Coughlin was. They wanted him out in 09 and 10 if I'm not mistaken and they just went on to win the SB in 11.

My conclusion is to give Garrett the year. If he stinks up the joint these next 10 plus games, I think they should go a different way but this season is still up for grabs in NFC East and the Cowboys might show improvement in the next month or 2.

Good point, but in all fairness, Coughlin was on the hot seat much sooner than that. His own players nearly rebelled against him because they said he pushed them too hard. He's been on the hot seat in NY 3 or 4 times.

Now, he has a lifetime pass.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by Hostile

You don't change culture as an OC.

Agreed, you can't change the culture.. but his offenses in the time he's been here seem to be getting worse, wouldn't you say Hos. He's probably had a pretty good share in who we've brought in on the offensive side of the ball before he was HC, too.

[Gaede]

Everything Garrett says, and everything people say about him, sounds right.

But the problem is the results aren't there. What we hear off the field and what we see on the field are two entirely different things.

You can't simply just define a 'process' that guarantees success in the NFL.

I believe Garrett is overconfident--even arrogant--with his 'process'. He thinks it will result in success regardless of whether this particular process is even the right one for the job. We frequently complain that Garrett is predictable with his playcalling. That he believes it doesn't matter what you're doing--if you do it well, they won't stop you. We often complain about his apparent refusal to upgrade an obviously weak unit on the team. Or bench under-performing players and weak links. I think we see these things because Garrett has this stubborn belief in himself--and the process he has defined--and refuses to challenge this belief. Because everything is a 'process' and as long as we embody this 'process' in everything we do, we'll win. It's our fundamental flaw. He cannot change what we do because he won't change what he does.

This isn't a corporation. It's a football team.

I don't care how good the head coach sounds behind a podium. I don't care how he has a winning attitude and likes the 'right kind of guy'. We're not building an office full of 9-5er robots, we're building a team of players whose sole job is to beat the other team of players up.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

So again.. the poster was simply asking for some positives about JG that anyone has seen to help lift his strong negative image of the guy so far, and you implied and assumed right away that the OP had some ulterior motive in asking as if he didn't really want to hear anything positive and was going to dismiss everything positive that anyone said anyway, and only made the post in an underhanded attempt to further criticize JG.

You can continue with these posts of nonsense, but it was pretty clear what you implied and assumed, brain.

..and again, in accusing him of just wanting to be negative about the topic, that's all you ended up being.

You and Danny need a Fresca because you are over par.

[Flinger]

Originally Posted by Numbers921

Nah, Garrett's been here since 2007, buddy.

Not as Head Coach and 'in charge' of changing the culture... sorry, buddy...

[bigdnlaca]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Good point, but in all fairness, Coughlin was on the hot seat much sooner than that. His own players nearly rebelled against him because they said he pushed them too hard. He's been on the hot seat in NY 3 or 4 times.

Now, he has a lifetime pass.

Yeah I didn't want to go that far back but it shows that sometimes a coach needs time. There aren't that many George Seiforts (sp?) or Switzers in the world.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

Agreed, you can't change the culture.. but his offenses in the time he's been here seem to be getting worse, wouldn't you say Hos. He's probably had a pretty good share in who we've brought in on the offensive side of the ball before he was HC, too.

How many Pro Bowl players on the 2007 Offense? How many now?

And you wonder why it seems to be getting worse?

Football is cyclical. It will come back around to where he has those players as they develop into that kind of talent. Tyron Smith, DeMarco Murray, and Dez Bryant all have that kind of talent. Combine them with Miles, Tony, and Jason and once the season ends they might be in those discussions.

But let's be real here. From the day he took over as Head Coach until right now he has changed 7 of his 11 Offensive starters. The lone holdovers are Miles, Jason, Tony (who was actually injured when he took over) and Doug Free, and Free was starting for the first time at LT.

Name me one other Head Coach who has done that in 2 years and has an Offense blowing your mind. Name me a coach who is doing it with 5 changes in 2 years.

The expectations of instant gratification are unreasonable. It's a process.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

You and Danny need a Fresca because you are over par.

K Brain.

[zrinkill]

Originally Posted by TheFinisher

I have to root for my team to lose

Only thing you need to know about the OP

[Flinger]

Originally Posted by Hostile

How many Pro Bowl players on the 2007 Offense? How many now?

And you wonder why it seems to be getting worse?

Football is cyclical. It will come back around to where he has those players as they develop into that kind of talent. Tyron Smith, DeMarco Murray, and Dez Bryant all have that kind of talent. Combine them with Miles, Tony, and Jason and once the season ends they might be in those discussions.

But let's be real here. From the day he took over as Head Coach until right now he has changed 7 of his 11 Offensive starters. The lone holdovers are Miles, Jason, Tony (who was actually injured when he took over) and Doug Free, and Free was starting for the first time at LT.

Name me one other Head Coach who has done that in 2 years and has an Offense blowing your mind. Name me a coach who is doing it with 5 changes in 2 years.

The expectations of instant gratification are unreasonable. It's a process.

Crickets....

Great points, Hos