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10-10-2012
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#121
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Senior Member
Joined: | Mar 2005 |
Location: | New Jersey |
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Originally Posted by jterrell
Nate Livings has been our highest rated OL.
Please just stop posting.
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Please everyone direct your attention to...and a round of applause for Nate Livings!! Youre the best lineman on arguably the worst OL in the NFL which coincidentally is arguably the worst offense in the NFL!
Wheres the Champagne? |
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10-10-2012
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#122
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Run-loving Dino
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
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Originally Posted by Gaede
Everything Garrett says, and everything people say about him, sounds right.
But the problem is the results aren't there. What we hear off the field and what we see on the field are two entirely different things.
You can't simply just define a 'process' that guarantees success in the NFL.
[View Full Quote]I believe Garrett is overconfident--even arrogant--with his 'process'. He thinks it will result in success regardless of whether this particular process is even the right one for the job. We frequently complain that Garrett is predictable with his playcalling. That he believes it doesn't matter what you're doing--if you do it well, they won't stop you. We often complain about his apparent refusal to upgrade an obviously weak unit on the team. Or bench under-performing players and weak links. I think we see these things because Garrett has this stubborn belief in himself--and the process he has defined--and refuses to challenge this belief. Because everything is a 'process' and as long as we embody this 'process' in everything we do, we'll win. It's our fundamental flaw. He cannot change what we do because he won't change what he does.
This isn't a corporation. It's a football team.
I don't care how good the head coach sounds behind a podium. I don't care how he has a winning attitude and likes the 'right kind of guy'. We're not building an office full of 9-5er robots, we're building a team of players whose sole job is to beat the other team of players up. |
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Originally Posted by Hoofbite
I think when you evaluate a head coach you have to ask yourself if he is getting the most from what he has.
Currently, he is not. End of story. Dallas has a QB and they have all the skill players any coach could ever want.
Find me a single OC who is currently employed who couldn't get results if they had all that AND a good OL.
Do the results match up to the pieces the team has on offense? Simple as that and the answer is, "They do not".
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Jason Garrett offense rank minus Tony Sparano: 18, 14, 7, 15, 15
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10-10-2012
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#123
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Senior Member
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
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Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer
How much time are you willing to give him?
Also, you have to ask yourself how much of the defensive play this season do you credit to Jason.. having never played defense and never coached it before anywhere?
Also, if you can't spell a word, you shouldn't try to use it to mock somebody with. Just a thought..
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Point 1 - As many years as necessary to turn this around. He is the right guy. At least 2 more, if things don't even improve...
Point 2 - He is the Head Coach, isn't he? So, are you suggesting he doesn't get credit for turning around a defense as the Head Coach? Was bringing in Ryan the HC's decision? Seems like a double standard - he gets crucified as Head Coach if they don't improve, but others get the credit if they do?
Point 3 - Guilty. Feel better? Never said I was perfect. And, I have a day job. I really don't take time to edit.
Point 4 - Lighten up... |
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10-10-2012
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#124
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that's why we have the best pass defense in the NFL, however I don't like JG how can u like some 1 who ices their own kicker?
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10-10-2012
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#125
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Banned
Joined: | Dec 2010 |
Posts: | 14,198 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoofbite
I think when you evaluate a head coach you have to ask yourself if he is getting the most from what he has.
Currently, he is not. End of story. Dallas has a QB and they have all the skill players any coach could ever want.
Find me a single OC who is currently employed who couldn't get results if they had all that AND a good OL.
Do the results match up to the pieces the team has on offense? Simple as that and the answer is, "They do not".
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We have great skill position players, but so what? The offensive line sucks. They can't block to save their lives. No running lanes for Murray. Romo has zero time to throw in a clean pocket, has to constantly scramble, etc. You can't judge Garrett to you give him a compatent offensive line. |
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10-10-2012
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#126
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Banned
Joined: | Aug 2012 |
Posts: | 817 |
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
We have great skill position players, but so what? The offensive line sucks. They can't block to save their lives. No running lanes for Murray. Romo has zero time to throw in a clean pocket, has to constantly scramble, etc. You can't judge Garrett to you give him a compatent offensive line.
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If Jason Garrett supposedly has all of his personnel control, he should've gotten an offensive line in here. |
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10-10-2012
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#127
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Banned
Joined: | Dec 2010 |
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Originally Posted by Numbers921
If Jason Garrett supposedly has all of his personnel control, he should've gotten an offensive line in here.
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Do you really believe he has an influence on the decisions made by Jerry? I don't believe that for a second. |
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10-10-2012
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#128
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Banned
Joined: | Aug 2012 |
Posts: | 817 |
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
Do you really believe he has an influence on the decisions made by Jerry? I don't believe that for a second.
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Tell it to the Garrett agenda boys. |
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10-10-2012
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#129
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Senior Member
Joined: | Mar 2006 |
Posts: | 2,191 |
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Originally Posted by Numbers921
He's only had 5 years to change the "culture" of this team.
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no he has had 2 years. because he was an OC under wade, who wanted practices in full pad and wade said no. it freaking practice why should they wear pads!!! |
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10-10-2012
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#130
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Senior Member
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
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Originally Posted by Numbers921
He's only had 5 years to change the "culture" of this team.
GIVE HIM MORE TIME. |
About the same amount of time he's been coaching at ANY level. That's the problem. |
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10-10-2012
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#131
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1st Round Pick
Years Donated 2010, 2011, 2013
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
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I'm just tired of the same old crap and Garrett has offered us nothing but the same old crap.
If Garrett was fired today who would hire him? Would he ever get another coordinator job?
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10-10-2012
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#132
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Banned
Joined: | Dec 2010 |
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Originally Posted by CATCH17
I'm just tired of the same old crap and Garrett has offered us nothing but the same old crap.
If Garrett was fired today who would hire him? Would he ever get another coordinator job?
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Who cares? He's not getting fired so get over yourself. Bottom line is the front office hasn't put him in a great position to be successful. He got the coaching job after a horrible 1-7 start in 2010. Then the team went 5-3 down the stretch. I'm that offseason we did essentially nothing as far as adding pieces. We drafted Tyron Smith, but there we players available in free agency that could've helped the team and we did nothing. Then this last offseason Jerry showed how clueless of a GM he is by overpaying for a corner in Carr and than drafting another corner in Claibourne. Again ignored the biggest weakness of this football team. The trenches. |
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10-10-2012
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#133
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Lonely Stranger
Years Donated 2007, 2009, 2012
Joined: | Jan 2006 |
Location: | Just passing thr |
Posts: | 22,441 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer
How much time are you willing to give him?
Also, you have to ask yourself how much of the defensive play this season do you credit to Jason.. having never played defense and never coached it before anywhere?
Also, if you can't spell a word, you shouldn't try to use it to mock somebody with. Just a thought..
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Predicting the future can be very hard, mostly because it hasn’t happened yet."
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10-10-2012
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#134
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Cab to Kinko's
Joined: | Apr 2005 |
Location: | State College, P |
Posts: | 11,269 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flinger
Point 1 - As many years as necessary to turn this around. He is the right guy. At least 2 more, if things don't even improve...
Point 2 - He is the Head Coach, isn't he? So, are you suggesting he doesn't get credit for turning around a defense as the Head Coach? Was bringing in Ryan the HC's decision? Seems like a double standard - he gets crucified as Head Coach if they don't improve, but others get the credit if they do?
Point 3 - Guilty. Feel better? Never said I was perfect. And, I have a day job. I really don't take time to edit.
Point 4 - Lighten up...
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Point 1.. really all that needs to be said on this topic. "As many years as necessary.."
Congrats on your day job, btw. As for the defense, JG is the OC, Ryan is the DC. Just as when Wade was here JG was the OC, and Wade was the DC. I would assume JG doesn't have a whole lot of knowledge about anything relating to the defensive side of the ball, considering he's never played there and never coached anything on that side.. so giving him credit for us playing well on D is a bit hollow, imo.
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10-10-2012
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#135
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Cab to Kinko's
Joined: | Apr 2005 |
Location: | State College, P |
Posts: | 11,269 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
Do you really believe he has an influence on the decisions made by Jerry? I don't believe that for a second.
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Do you really believe that JG doesn't have a say in what players he is "allowed" to bring in and coach?
If so, what gives you that impression? |
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