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stasheroo · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by ConstantReboot

It seems to be that the other teams especially the Patriots get their ball out really fast. Brady doesn't wait around long for routes to happen, the ball is already gone from his hands. On the other hand, our routes it seems take an eternity to happen. And most of the time Romo throws it to the dump off man or to his 2nd or 3rd read. Is it because were having a hard time getting open? Or is it the plays being called that is taking too long to manifest?

My contention is that it is this.

And I mentioned as much in my post in the 'Improving the Offense' topic.

noshame · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

This just ridiculous. Romo has one of the quickest releases in the league. It's the wide outs who need to get opener faster. They all struggle to get separation especially Dez Bryant.

Has nothing to do with his release.

Cowboys&LakersFan · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by noshame

Has nothing to do with his release.

It absolutely does. You claimed Romo doesn't release his passes quick enough which is ridiculous.

RoyTheHammer · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

It absolutely does. You claimed Romo doesn't release his passes quick enough which is ridiculous.

False.

noshame · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

It absolutely does. You claimed Romo doesn't release his passes quick enough which is ridiculous.

I said nothing about his release, I said he simply will not make the throws. If he does, the vast majority are high and uncatchable. He absolutely struggles with velosity/touch on vertical routes, always has, but now teams have figured it out. Moose stated last year in a pre-game that the cowboys coaches were trying to get Romo to go down field early, but he won't do it. He has no confidence in those passes.

Look kid, Tony is one of the 2 best QB's I've ever seen at feeling pressure and making something out of nothing. He also has more heart than the next ten QB's combined, and yes he has a very quick release. That said, he has his faults, that's life.

Oh_Canada · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

This just ridiculous. Romo has one of the quickest releases in the league. It's the wide outs who need to get opener faster. They all struggle to get separation especially Dez Bryant.

Guess you choose to ignore what pretty much is the universal thought among NFL people...Romo is good, just isn't great and he's prone to making mistakes at key times. All these excuses are just that....excuses....Brady has a bunch of third string wr's, Rodgers oline is horrific, doesn't matter who is Eli's wr's, on and on....but Romo always seems to have an excuse. It's baloney.

mahoneybill · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by ConstantReboot

It seems to be that the other teams especially the Patriots get their ball out really fast. Brady doesn't wait around long for routes to happen, the ball is already gone from his hands. On the other hand, our routes it seems take an eternity to happen. And most of the time Romo throws it to the dump off man or to his 2nd or 3rd read. Is it because were having a hard time getting open? Or is it the plays being called that is taking too long to manifest?

Simple way to calculate is count " one thousand 1" , " one thousand two"

Thats very close to a second each time.

Watched Brady in the last game and did this. Ball comes out in about 2 seconds .

Also, his line gives him a relatively clean pocket/lane to throw through.

Also, Ron Jaworski ( not a big fan of his) has stated that any NFL QB should
complete 60% of his passes given 2.5 seconds to release a pass.

This of course assumes a clean pocket, etc.

Cowboys&LakersFan · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Guess you choose to ignore what pretty much is the universal thought among NFL people...Romo is good, just isn't great and he's prone to making mistakes at key times. All these excuses are just that....excuses....Brady has a bunch of third string wr's, Rodgers oline is horrific, doesn't matter who is Eli's wr's, on and on....but Romo always seems to have an excuse. It's baloney.

Nice job words in my mouth. Never said Romo was the only one fighting these issues just simply stating they are there and you can't just blame alone for the Cowboys struggles. Again Romo has a very quick release, but its very difficult or release the ball in a second or two yet somehow he manages to do that most of the time. I'm not sure if you played quarterback or not (I didn't either, but I have been a pass rusher), but when you have guys consistently hitting you because you're not getting protection mistakes are gonna happen.

btcutter · 10-10-2012

1. Unlike NE, we do not call many short routes over the middle.
2. We do not have small shifty WR to run in the middle.
3. We call many plays that takes TOO LONG to develop.
4. Romo likes big plays.
5. Our OL sucks.
6. Maybe our OC isn't very good either.

Oh_Canada · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

Nice job words in my mouth. Never said Romo was the only one fighting these issues just simply stating they are there and you can't just blame alone for the Cowboys struggles. Again Romo has a very quick release, but its very difficult or release the ball in a second or two yet somehow he manages to do that most of the time. I'm not sure if you played quarterback or not (I didn't either, but I have been a pass rusher), but when you have guys consistently hitting you because you're not getting protection mistakes are gonna happen.

Ummm....he was barely touched last game. He threw five picks. Rodgers got sacked eight times in a half, not one turnover. I have become a lot less frustrated lately with the team because I have concluded what pretty much everyone outside of Cowboy fandom has--Romo is top half in the league, but just isn't as the elite or even next tier qb we hoped he was.

ConstantReboot · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by mahoneybill

Simple way to calculate is count " one thousand 1" , " one thousand two"

Thats very close to a second each time.

Watched Brady in the last game and did this. Ball comes out in about 2 seconds .

Also, his line gives him a relatively clean pocket/lane to throw through.

Also, Ron Jaworski ( not a big fan of his) has stated that any NFL QB should
complete 60% of his passes given 2.5 seconds to release a pass.

This of course assumes a clean pocket, etc.

I actually do keep track of time when I watch games. Especially when I don't watch the Cowboys I notice how fast some of the other QBs get the ball out quick.

I've always been a proponent of our team making plays faster or giving Romo more time to complete some passes - like a bootleg or play action. However, it seems that Garrett doesn't call a lot of those types of plays while the entire NFL seems to gotten a clue and use is quite a bit.

Cowboys&LakersFan · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Ummm....he was barely touched last game. He threw five picks. Rodgers got sacked eight times in a half, not one turnover. I have become a lot less frustrated lately with the team because I have concluded what pretty much everyone outside of Cowboy fandom has--Romo is top half in the league, but just isn't as the elite or even next tier qb we hoped he was.

Romo is terrific when it comes to avoiding sacks and pressures so obviously the hits won't show up in the stat sheet because he avoids them, but there is no question that he is getting pressure in his face consistently. When you get pressure in your face on a consistent basis, you rush throws, and then the turnovers start to pile up. Romo has to get better certainly, but so does the offensive line. I'm not sure how they can get better though. They're simply not that good.

RoyTheHammer · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

Romo is terrific when it comes to avoiding sacks and pressures so obviously the hits won't show up in the stat sheet because he avoids them, but there is no question that he is getting pressure in his face consistently. When you get pressure in your face on a consistent basis, you rush throws, and then the turnovers start to pile up. Romo has to get better certainly, but so does the offensive line. I'm not sure how they can get better though. They're simply not that good.

Rodgers and Ryan both get alot of pressure in their faces and they find ways to win and play efficiently. Hell, Rodgers has a 97.0 passer rating and all you hear him talk about is how he needs to play alot better.

So why can't Tony play more efficiently? Not like he isn't used to facing pressure by now.

Oh_Canada · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

Romo is terrific when it comes to avoiding sacks and pressures so obviously the hits won't show up in the stat sheet because he avoids them, but there is no question that he is getting pressure in his face consistently. When you get pressure in your face on a consistent basis, you rush throws, and then the turnovers start to pile up. Romo has to get better certainly, but so does the offensive line. I'm not sure how they can get better though. They're simply not that good.

Probably say the same for the QB.

burmafrd · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

Rodgers and Ryan both get alot of pressure in their faces and they find ways to win and play efficiently. Hell, Rodgers has a 97.0 passer rating and all you hear him talk about is how he needs to play alot better.

So why can't Tony play more efficiently? Not like he isn't used to facing pressure by now.

Getting used to pressure. Think about that for a minute.

Getting used to being hit without warning.

By very large guys going full speed.

I call BS on ANYONE getting used to that without their game going down hill.