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Old 10-10-2012   #61
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He was a different player last year when he came back from Bentley's training facility. We got a good player for 10 games last season. I'll take that for thise year too.

Holland was a fat, lazy, unmotivated player who - when faced with life without football - got it and applied himself.

And if we're hammering players for injury, better not let Phil Costa back in the lineup. He's already had two just this season!
Wonder why no other team wants him if he is indeed a quality player.. seems alot of teams have pretty bad OL's this year. Certainly many of them could use a quality upgrade to their team you would think.
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He was a different player last year when he came back from Bentley's training facility. We got a good player for 10 games last season. I'll take that for thise year too.

Holland was a fat, lazy, unmotivated player who - when faced with life without football - got it and applied himself.

And if we're hammering players for injury, better not let Phil Costa back in the lineup. He's already had two just this season!
How does Holland look now?

Seems like nobody else thinks he is a good option right now and there are other teams out there with Oline issues.

Just something to consider.

Mickey might be annoying with his old If he is available line...however sometimes it is a legit question to consider.


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well.. ?

who are the players?
We don't know. It hasn't been reported yet from any site i've seen.

In the meantime we're all bickering and arguing about what day of the week we should bring players in to workout on and other unimportant topics.. feel free to join in the fun.

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How does Holland look now?

Seems like nobody else thinks he is a good option right now and there are other teams out there with Oline issues.

Just something to consider.

Mickey might be annoying with his old If he is available line...however sometimes it is a legit question to consider.
don't know how true it is, but Holland has come out and said he has had opportunities but only wants to continue his career in Dallas
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Wonder why no other team wants him if he is indeed a quality player.. seems alot of teams have pretty bad OL's this year. Certainly many of them could use a quality upgrade to their team you would think.
I'd only be speculating, but after looking better than either of the two scrubs we ended up signing, his only 'sin' was wanting better than league minimum.

Apparently he's getting involved in Bentley's training facility and has options.

And I remember a lot of NFL 'geniuses' passing on Brian Waters last year before the Patriots once again outsmarted the rest of the league.


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How does Holland look now?

Seems like nobody else thinks he is a good option right now and there are other teams out there with Oline issues.

Just something to consider.

Mickey might be annoying with his old If he is available line...however sometimes it is a legit question to consider.
Well, we can only go by his last workout for the Cowboys in August, a workout in which he looked far superior to the two scrubs we ended up signing, one of whom is still taking up space on this roster.


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You did not answer my question.

I asked who you thought was defending Jason in one thread and criticizing him in this one?

You established that someone criticizing the whole looking at players on Friday in this thread as ANYONE doing it but did not answer who was both doing that AND who was defending him in the other thread.

So again I ask...who are you talking about?
I'll admit a bit of rhetoric. More a statement on the group think that goes on at times.
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Well, we can only go by his last workout for the Cowboys in August, a workout in which he looked far superior to the two scrubs we ended up signing, one of whom is still taking up space on this roster.
We, as fans, can only go by what we saw then, i agree. However, i think its safe to say the Cowboys would know more about the player than we do, so maybe there's a reason we don't want to bring him in yet.

You could be right, we could be missing out on an upgrade, but in this case, at least it seems like the rest of the league is validating our opinion of the guy.

IIRC, Brian Waters was snatched up pretty quickly by the Pats.. actually before the season even started wasn't it?
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Well, we can only go by his last workout for the Cowboys in August, a workout in which he looked far superior to the two scrubs we ended up signing, one of whom is still taking up space on this roster.
He looked so "far superior" that the coaching staff decided they did not want him and still do not want him?

So even though he is far superior they still do not want him now because of what logical reason?

It's like you believe they are purposely not wanting him just to spite all the fans because everyone knows he would be better so it must be some evil plan.

Think about it man...are you really that far gone that you would believe that kind of stuff? Seriously?


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He looked so "far superior" that the coaching staff decided they did not want him and still do not want him?

So even though he is far superior they still do not want him now because of what logical reason?

It's like you believe they are purposely not wanting him just to spite all the fans because everyone knows he would be better so it must be some evil plan.

Think about it man...are you really that far gone that you would believe that kind of stuff? Seriously?

all the reports at the time were that he wanted too much guaranteed money, and that is why we did not sign him - not that the coaches didnt want him. Jerry must have not wanted to pay that for a backup, thinking the guys we signed were good enough.
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We, as fans, can only go by what we saw then, i agree. However, i think its safe to say the Cowboys would know more about the player than we do, so maybe there's a reason we don't want to bring him in yet.
I've never felt that was 'safe to say'. I knew that Waters could have helped last year from my couch, they somehow didn't. So, unlike a lot of others, I don't consider anyone 'infallible' or beyond question or reproach.

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You could be right, we could be missing out on an upgrade, but in this case, at least it seems like the rest of the league is validating our opinion of the guy.

IIRC, Brian Waters was snatched up pretty quickly by the Pats.. actually before the season even started wasn't it?
Just before the start of the season as I recall, so the rest of the league had plenty of time to bring him in.

In fact, I think he signed on or near the same day we wasted our time on Dockery (and still are!).


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He looked so "far superior" that the coaching staff decided they did not want him and still do not want him?

So even though he is far superior they still do not want him now because of what logical reason?

It's like you believe they are purposely not wanting him just to spite all the fans because everyone knows he would be better so it must be some evil plan.

Think about it man...are you really that far gone that you would believe that kind of stuff? Seriously?
The answer is simple and I've mentioned it before.

He won't work for the veteran minimum the Cowboys are offering.

No conspiracy, just stupidity.


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I've never felt that was 'safe to say'. I knew that Waters could have helped last year from my couch, they somehow didn't. So, unlike a lot of others, I don't consider anyone 'infallible' or beyond question or reproach.



Just before the start of the season as I recall, so the rest of the league had plenty of time to bring him in.

In fact, I think he signed on or near the same day we wasted our time on Dockery (and still are!).
What i meant was i think they would know more about where he is right now as far as his fitness, his health, etc.. those types of things.

I certainly wouldn't say that our little group here never makes personel mistakes either..
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Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider

Cowboys to work out about a dozen players Friday prior to their trip to Baltimore, according to a league source.
12 punters?
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12 punters?
May need about that many since punt protection is next to worthless. Only the OL blocks worse.
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