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[Star4Ever]

Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

Cowboys are second behind the 49ers.

And what two great RBs do they have on par with Emmitt and Tony D? That's why I said ALL six positions.

[Hostile]

I think the 2 RBs category gives it automatically to Dallas. Combine Tony and Emmitt's rushing yards in Dallas and it is better than any other team's top 3 or 4 combined. The only team that might come close is the Bears and they do not have the QBs and WRs to win this.

[car351]

Originally Posted by GoCowboysGo

True, but if Murchison had been a mediocre owner, he would have built a better team around Danny White, we should be able to say we had two HOF'ers on one team with Staubach and White.

It will always torment me how great Danny White was and how little respect he gets.

Ummmmmmmm, wow, just wow. T%he Dirty Dozen draft of '75. Dorsett in 77 and the subsequent superbowl. The 70's collection of Cowboys talent that White inherited from Roger was in their "PRIME" (betwwen 25 and 30 yrs of age for the majority of the team) and White "didn't close the deal. Washington, Philly and San Fran in the NFC championship games in '80, 81 and 82? What, was White carrying these teams? White, Too Tall, Martin, Dutton, @ d-line Waters/Harris Everson, Thurman. Who's we have Rayfield Wright, Fitxgerald, Rafferyt @ OL, I mean the lists goes on and on...Not surrounded by talent? Dude.....Most inaccurate post I have ever read. There was NO FREE AGENCY. Everyone was in their prime when Roger retired. Drew and Thrill Hill, Newhouse, Golden, I mean my God..... Don't know what you are talking about. White waS handed keys to a Lamborghini and never got it out of 3rd gear when given the chance. He was McNabb before McNabb. Wow, again, just wow.

[Diogenes]

Originally Posted by KB1122

I tend to point out that the Colts have had a great quarterbacking tradition, because no one ever thinks of the Colts as having one of the great quarterbacking traditions.

Unitas and Manning.

Faulk and Dickerson.

Harrison and Berry.

Edgerrin James was pretty good. Unitas and Manning are the best 1-2 QB combination ever but it's hard to think of the Indianapolis Colts and the Baltimore Colts as the same team.

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by Star4Ever

Has any franchise had two better QBs, RBs, and WRs than the Cowboys? Roger and Troy, Tony D and Emmitt, and Irvin and Drew? Every other franchise seems to come up short at one position or the other.

You'd have a much better argument if Drew Pearson was in the Hall of Fame. Not that he shouldn't be (it's debatable), but if you include a non-Hall of Famer for us, you'd have to include them for other teams as well.

[GoCowboysGo]

Originally Posted by car351

Ummmmmmmm, wow, just wow. T%he Dirty Dozen draft of '75. Dorsett in 77 and the subsequent superbowl. The 70's collection of Cowboys talent that White inherited from Roger was in their "PRIME" (betwwen 25 and 30 yrs of age for the majority of the team) and White "didn't close the deal. Washington, Philly and San Fran in the NFC championship games in '80, 81 and 82? What, was White carrying these teams? White, Too Tall, Martin, Dutton, @ d-line Waters/Harris Everson, Thurman. Who's we have Rayfield Wright, Fitxgerald, Rafferyt @ OL, I mean the lists goes on and on...Not surrounded by talent? Dude.....Most inaccurate post I have ever read. There was NO FREE AGENCY. Everyone was in their prime when Roger retired. Drew and Thrill Hill, Newhouse, Golden, I mean my God..... Don't know what you are talking about. White waS handed keys to a Lamborghini and never got it out of 3rd gear when given the chance. He was McNabb before McNabb. Wow, again, just wow.

First post aimed at me! Welcome to the forum!

But I'm talking about through the 80's. Murchison's failure to sign and upgrade the team led to the fall of the Cowboys during that decade. Many of the starters inherited from 1979 and before started falling off, etc. Instead of improving the team (improve or lose ground is what I think happens in the NFL) Murchison stood pat, bad drafts, injuries, etc kept the team from living up to the talent we had in Danny White.

Reminds me of what's happening now with Romo, we sign stars but ignore the trenches. It's the opposite of how the Cowboys have won SB's in the past.

[THUMPER]

Originally Posted by KB1122

I tend to point out that the Colts have had a great quarterbacking tradition, because no one ever thinks of the Colts as having one of the great quarterbacking traditions.

Unitas and Manning.

Faulk and Dickerson.

Harrison and Berry.

That was the only team I thought of as being comparable to us.

I would rank Unitas & Manning above Staubach and Aikman.

Emmitt & Dorsett rank well above Dickerson & Faulk who both only played a few years with the Colts and played their best years with the Rams.

Raymond Berry and Marvin Harrison vs Michael Irvin and Bob Hayes (you could add in Reggie Wayne for them and Drew Pearson for us). I think I would have to give the edge to the Colts at WR mostly on production. They caught a LOT of passes in their careers!

Overall, I would give the edge to the Cowboys since we were far better at RB than the Colts and slightly lower at QB 7 WR.

People don't think about the Rams but they have had some great QBs, RBs & WRs in their history:

QBs: Bob Waterfield, Norm van Brocklin, Roman Gabriel, & Kurt Warner

RB: Dan Towler, Lawrence McCutcheon, Eric Dickerson, Marshall Faulk, & Steven Jackson

WRs: Jim Benton, Tom Fears, Elroy Hirsch, Red Phillips, Jack Snow, Henry Ellard, Issac Bruce, & Torry Holt

I still think we were better at every position though.

[burmafrd]

I frankly do not give Unitas an edge over Roger. Just my opinion
But I agree that Manning is better then Troy was, even if not by a lot.
WRs? Overall I think the Boys are better
Bullett, Thrill Hill and Drew, then Irvin.
RBs- as mentioned not even close.

Rams had some very good QBs but not great ones.

49rs- it is kind of close there. Montana was great of course; but i have always thought Young was over rated.

Actually you look at the QB situation at Dallas from the beginning and I would submit we have had overall better QB play then any other team.
Eddie LeBaron
Don Meredith
Craig Morton
Roger Staubach
Danny White
They all followed one another with no real pause.

Then you have a couple of years from Danny White to Troy. And we had Steve Beurlien there as well and he was no slouch.
Then the black hole from Troy to Tony. The only real period in the Boys history when we did not have at least above average QB play for more than a year or so.

[THUMPER]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

I frankly do not give Unitas an edge over Roger. Just my opinion
But I agree that Manning is better then Troy was, even if not by a lot.
WRs? Overall I think the Boys are better
Bullett, Thrill Hill and Drew, then Irvin.
RBs- as mentioned not even close.

Unitas in his prime was better than anyone except Otto Graham IMO. As good as Roger was he was never as good as Johnny U.

Rams had some very good QBs but not great ones.

I think a lot of people underestimate Waterfield and Van Brocklin because they don't have the numbers that other QBs do but they shared time at QB and were incredible as a duo. They rewrote the passing records when they played and in fact Van Brocklin STILL holds the most passing yards in a game record after nearly 60s years and even with all the rules favoring the pass the past 30+ years.

Where we kill the rams is at RB. They had some good ones but they didn't play that long with them.

49rs- it is kind of close there. Montana was great of course; but i have always thought Young was over rated.

They also had Y.A. Tittle throughout the 50s. True he had his best years at the end with the Giants in the early 60s but that was mostly because Landry had built a great defense there before he left.

You could throw in John Brodie who was one of the best QBs in the 60s. He didn't get as many pro-bowls or all-pro nominations as he could have because he was competing against Unitas, Starr, & Jurgensen.

Actually you look at the QB situation at Dallas from the beginning and I would submit we have had overall better QB play then any other team.
Eddie LeBaron
Don Meredith
Craig Morton
Roger Staubach
Danny White
They all followed one another with no real pause.

Then you have a couple of years from Danny White to Troy. And we had Steve Beurlien there as well and he was no slouch.
Then the black hole from Troy to Tony. The only real period in the Boys history when we did not have at least above average QB play for more than a year or so.

I agree that we have had the best continuous (nearly) QB play of any team and that overall we would rank ahead of any other team. The 49ERs are close though with Frankie Albert-Tittle-Brodie-Plunkett-DeBerg-Montana-Young-Jeff Garcia-Alex Smith.

That's a pretty darn good string of QBs but their RBs have been nowhere near as good as ours. They had some great ones in the 50s with: Joe Perry, Hugh McElhenny & John Henry Johnson, all 3 HoFers. Roger Craig was good but not in the same class as Dorsett or Emmitt.

You could say we've had a string of RBs as well:

Don Perkins-Dan Reeves/Walt Garrison-Calvin Hill-Duane Thomas-Robert Newhouse-Tony Dorsett-Herschel Walker-Emmitt Smith-...?

After Emmitt we haven't really had a good feature RB but Murray looks like he could be the guy for us if he can stay healthy and we can open some holes for him.

[DMAC]

One could consider Detriot:

QB's
Bobby Layne
Dutch Clark

RB's
Barry Sanders
Doak Walker

WR's
Calvin Johnson
Herman Moore

Probably still give the cowboys the edge.

[Ntegrase96]

The Cowboys have a rich history with players, but I think we tend to overrate some of our own.

RB Category probably blows everyone out of the water just because of the combination of Dorsett and Emmitt, but WR and QB...? Lots of great combinations around the league to compete with.

I guess, what this thread is really asking is if the Cowboys have the best 'all time' team.

I'd certainly have to put them up there, but I think the 9ers take the cake.

[car351]

Originally Posted by GoCowboysGo

First post aimed at me! Welcome to the forum!

But I'm talking about through the 80's. Murchison's failure to sign and upgrade the team led to the fall of the Cowboys during that decade. Many of the starters inherited from 1979 and before started falling off, etc. Instead of improving the team (improve or lose ground is what I think happens in the NFL) Murchison stood pat, bad drafts, injuries, etc kept the team from living up to the talent we had in Danny White.

Reminds me of what's happening now with Romo, we sign stars but ignore the trenches. It's the opposite of how the Cowboys have won SB's in the past.

Oh okay. When I didn't see specifics dates attached I was a lil confused. We definitely had more than enuf talent from '80 to '85 and then I think we started having the Danny White doubts with the infamous Pelleur and Hogeboom fiascos. I agree by '87 and the '88 season we had hung on too long to our older players without drafting same caliber talent. I am still in disagreement as to comparing what White inherited to what Romo has though. Just because we over rate the talent does not make it so nor does the production level pass the eye test. Romo is just now strating to get a D, just now getting his RB, maybe(and the jury's still out) has his wideouts...Whereas white had all of these positions plus both trenches in spades for an approximate 6 to 7 year time frame. Sorry about the previous post's tone, nothing personal.

[Star4Ever]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I think the 2 RBs category gives it automatically to Dallas. Combine Tony and Emmitt's rushing yards in Dallas and it is better than any other team's top 3 or 4 combined. The only team that might come close is the Bears and they do not have the QBs and WRs to win this.

Absolutely agree. That's my point. I don't think any other franchise comes that close to "all six positions". They all fall short at one position or the other. We have been very blessed over the years (excluding the last 15 or so. LOL).

[Star4Ever]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

You'd have a much better argument if Drew Pearson was in the Hall of Fame. Not that he shouldn't be (it's debatable), but if you include a non-Hall of Famer for us, you'd have to include them for other teams as well.

Drew is Hall-of-Fame worthy. I don't think many would disagree with that. You could even substitute Bullet Bob Hayes for Drew, but I think Drew was the overall better receiver. I still don't think any other franchise has two players at each of those three positions that surpass what we've had.

[Star4Ever]

Originally Posted by Ntegrase96

The Cowboys have a rich history with players, but I think we tend to overrate some of our own.

RB Category probably blows everyone out of the water just because of the combination of Dorsett and Emmitt, but WR and QB...? Lots of great combinations around the league to compete with.

I guess, what this thread is really asking is if the Cowboys have the best 'all time' team.

I'd certainly have to put them up there, but I think the 9ers take the cake.

Again, who are their great running backs? There aren't any. The fall woefully short at that position. The question was about the team that has had the best combination of 2 QBs, RBs, and WRs. You can't exclude one of those positions to make your argument.