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10-10-2012
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#16
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Senior Member
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Location: | Dudley England |
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Originally Posted by KJJ
Posts like this are ridiculous. You're not going to improve by trading away some of your best players and rolling the dice on draft picks that may never pan out. You keep the players that are helping you win games and dump the players on the OL that are helping you lose. The main issue with the Cowboys is a poor OL and an incompetent head coach who continues having the team spin it's wheels.
The better the coaching the more you get out of the players you have. The roster doesn't need to be revamped the team needs a solid head coach and a DC who's built some real good defenses on some winning teams. For the Cowboys to start making progress they need to fix the coaching and the OL.
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On the first part, It seemed to work when Dallas traded Hershel Walker to the Vikings for a bunch of picks.
On the second part, I said this would be a problem in april and all i got was abuse with people saying as long as we've got Claibourne this team is set, as the offense is "the same as last years" and we're Superbowl bound.
Erm ....................................
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10-10-2012
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#17
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Save the Snow Leopard
Years Donated 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Location: | US |
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After the season there will be a review and inventory. Problems are identified and solutions entertained. There will be no wholesale changes for this team. I look for pass rusher, S, and OL to be specifically addressed but things could change between now and then.
Did you know there are only 5000 Snow Leopards in the wild now and they are confined to Central Asia? However, the effective global population (those likely to reproduce) is less than half that number.
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10-10-2012
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#18
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Senior Member
Joined: | May 2008 |
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I think its a great idea. But 1 guy at a time starting with Witten this offseason, but I'd hang on to Dez because he's only 23. Time to move on from the past and build up our front lines!
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10-10-2012
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#19
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
Location: | Malibu Ca |
Posts: | 7,053 |
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Originally Posted by rodd94
On the first part, It seemed to work when Dallas traded Hershel Walker to the Vikings for a bunch of picks.
On the second part, I said this would be a problem in april and all i got was abuse with people saying as long as we've got Claibourne this team is set, as the offense is "the same as last years" and we're Superbowl bound.
Erm ....................................
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They traded one player not their QB, OLB, TE and WR. The 89 Cowboys were virtually talentless so they gambled their best player because that team had holes everywhere. You could trade Romo, Ware, Witten and Dez and never get the number of draft picks and players the 89 Cowboys got for Walker.
The Cowboys received 8 draft picks and 5 veteran players for Walker. Romo, Ware, Witten and Dez are the teams corp players and without them the Cowboys are probably a 3-4 win team at best. The picks they would get for them would be used to try and replace them it would make no sense. The Cowboys would probably end up having to use multiple picks just trying to replace Romo.
If you're referring to the OL don't know why you got abused for saying it would be a problem in 2012 most on the board figured it would be. A lot of fans wanted the Cowboys to use their #1 on the OL.
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10-10-2012
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#20
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Senior Member
Joined: | May 2008 |
Location: | Dudley England |
Posts: | 172 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KJJ
They traded one player not their QB, OLB, TE and WR. The 89 Cowboys were virtually talentless so they gambled their best player because that team had holes everywhere. You could trade Romo, Ware, Witten and Dez and never get the number of draft picks and players the 89 Cowboys got for Walker.
The Cowboys received 8 draft picks and 5 veteran players for Walker. Romo, Ware, Witten and Dez are the teams corp players and without them the Cowboys are probably a 3-4 win team at best. The picks they would get for them would be used to try and replace them it would make no sense. The Cowboys would probably end up having to use multiple picks just trying to replace Romo.
If you're referring to the OL don't know why you got abused for saying it would be a problem in 2012 most on the board figured it would be. A lot of fans wanted the Cowboys to use their #1 on the OL.
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I said taking Claibourne and losing our 2nd round pick was a mistake as the O-line needed help and the player brought in were career back ups. For this i got abuse off lots of poster who are now saying what i said back in April. Now i'm not slating Claiborne and never did i was saying giving up a 1st & 2nd for a player was too much and spending over $100m on CB and a few dimes on the o-line was a mistake. For this i was slated.
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10-10-2012
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#21
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To The Moon
Joined: | Oct 2004 |
Location: | Blairsville, PA |
Posts: | 8,574 |
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
Way too early for this. Season is nowhere near being over. Revisit this in the offseason.
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Yep. 1/4 of the season is thru and people are jumping ship. Bandwagoneers?
DESTINATION... END ZONE!!! 
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10-10-2012
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#22
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The Peacemaker
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Location: | Two feet over |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletch
Yep. 1/4 of the season is thru and people are jumping ship. Bandwagoneers?
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Bandwagoneers? ---does not google 
You Young-uns Stay Out of Cbz's Yard --
Still miss you Pops
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10-10-2012
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#23
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletch
Yep. 1/4 of the season is thru and people are jumping ship. Bandwagoneers?
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how in the heck can you bandwagon a 8-8 team?
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10-10-2012
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#24
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Senior Member
Joined: | Oct 2009 |
Location: | Quakertown, PA |
Posts: | 380 |
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The only thing I would trade any of them for are 4 starting quality OL
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10-11-2012
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#25
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Senior Member
Joined: | Dec 2008 |
Location: | Tarheel Nation |
Posts: | 841 |
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Originally Posted by AMERICAS_FAN
Ahhh, no. Let's not slam te window shut prematurely.
Remebmer, this is year 2 of a 3-year rebuilding process.
You're asking if we should be tearing the whole thing down before seeing the full plan through.
How about we give it at least another offseason to get the rest of the pieces in place before we judge how Super Bowl ready this team is.
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We've been rebuilding since 95!
TORCH HAS BEEN PASSED!!! 88
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10-11-2012
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#26
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Senior Member
Joined: | Dec 2008 |
Location: | Tarheel Nation |
Posts: | 841 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KJJ
They traded one player not their QB, OLB, TE and WR. The 89 Cowboys were virtually talentless so they gambled their best player because that team had holes everywhere. You could trade Romo, Ware, Witten and Dez and never get the number of draft picks and players the 89 Cowboys got for Walker.
The Cowboys received 8 draft picks and 5 veteran players for Walker. Romo, Ware, Witten and Dez are the teams corp players and without them the Cowboys are probably a 3-4 win team at best. The picks they would get for them would be used to try and replace them it would make no sense. The Cowboys would probably end up having to use multiple picks just trying to replace Romo.
If you're referring to the OL don't know why you got abused for saying it would be a problem in 2012 most on the board figured it would be. A lot of fans wanted the Cowboys to use their #1 on the OL.
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Dude, that's the whole point of rebuilding. I never said the players we would draft would come in and win a super bowl that year. Withing 3-5 years I believe we would be in good position with a bunch of young talent mainly from the many picks we get. 1 playoff win since 96... remember that. Romo has all the stats and none of the wins. I was romo's biggest supporter 'till last week, that was the straw. I'm actually playing Flacco and Big Ben in both of my fantasy leagues over Romo.
TORCH HAS BEEN PASSED!!! 88
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10-11-2012
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#27
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Senior Member
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Posts: | 7,167 |
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Originally Posted by lqmac1
We've been rebuilding since 95!
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Really? Didn't know it was 1995 when Garrett took over for Wade Phillips. Thanks for pointing out the facts.
___Americas Fan___
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Trent Dilfer: "Tony [Romo] has greatness in him. I think when you talk to other people that really play the quarterback position, there's a few guys that really have incredible greatness in them, and Tony is one of them. I think the issue here is he needs more help from his teammates. I think they are not nearly as talented as people say they are, from 1 to 53. I'm talking about the total roster.”
Last edited by AMERICAS_FAN : 10-11-2012 at 12:35 PM.
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10-11-2012
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#28
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Senior Member
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Location: | Euless, TX |
Posts: | 6,566 |
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Originally Posted by bark
what would this team look like with another good free agent class and another good draft?
let's ride this romo and garrett train a coupla more yrs
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I agree, this is year 2 of 3 in the rebuilding. Next year in FA & draft, it's OL & S.
That gives the win now team, but yet builds for long term future too.
Trade any one away, that's a give up. Too early in year to give up.
Ride it out.
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10-11-2012
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#29
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Formerly joshjwc9
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Location: | Palm Harbor, FL |
Posts: | 1,499 |
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Honestly, this team is good enough. But I've been converted to blaming it on the Oline. I'd be up for trading Witten and Jenkins or Scandrick. Pick up some 2nd or 3rd rounders and reload the Oline with those picks. I believe the team is strong enough to pick up some FA's along the Dline and replace the two players we trade. I really think with selecting a guy like Barrett Jones or Chance Warmack along with a NT like Jesse Williams this team could see some dominate play from the trenches.
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10-11-2012
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#30
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Senior Member
Joined: | Dec 2008 |
Location: | Tarheel Nation |
Posts: | 841 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AMERICAS_FAN
Really? Didn't know it was 1995 when Garrett took over for Wade Phillips. Thanks for pointing out the facts.
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So what kinda years were the one's in between 95-2010? As an organization we have been rebuilding, getting new coaches is a part of that process. AND how are you gonna rebuild when we never had anything good that collapsed? Like I said we've been rebuilding since 96.... Beat it!
TORCH HAS BEEN PASSED!!! 88
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