Help Sell Me On Jason Garrett

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by AZBOYZFAN

You do realize its Jones' fault that Reeves didnt come here right?

Reeves who? And what does that have anything to do with what I stated?

[AZBOYZFAN]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

Reeves who? And what does that have anything to do with what I stated?

If you dont know who Reeves is in Cowboy lore you need to turn in your fan card. O and if you dont know what you wrote in this thread you might want to stop posting

[Doomsday]

Is there any doubt that JG will get out coached this weekend?

[tecolote]

Originally Posted by AZBOYZFAN

You do realize Garrett was waiting on the guy in the booth who works for the Cowboys (every team has one) to tell him the play was a good one to challenge as they can see when the PI happened in regards to the tip. You must know and just want to hate

Really? The replay had clearly shown it was a tipped ball. Everybody in the stadium knew it was a tipped ball. Everybody on the Cowboys bench knew it was a tipped ball.

And besides, why would you save a challenge at that point, we were down 14 and the only small hope of winning that game was overturning that call. You had to challenge.

It was embarrasing.

[Sampson]

Originally Posted by tecolote

Really? The replay had clearly shown it was a tipped ball. Everybody in the stadium knew it was a tipped ball. Everybody on the Cowboys bench knew it was a tipped ball.

And besides, why would you save a challenge at that point, we were down 14 and the only small hope of winning that game was overturning that call. You had to challenge.

It was embarrasing.

It wasn't a question of it being tipped or not. It was when it was tipped and did the PI come before or after the tip.

[tecolote]

Originally Posted by Sampson

It wasn't a question of it being tipped or not. It was when it was tipped and did the PI come before or after the tip.

I agree, but at that point in the game with the score the way it was and the implications of a PI call (game over), you have to roll the dice and throw the flag.

If it was a good challenge you still have a miniscule chance of winning, if it was not, you lose anyway.

[Sampson]

Originally Posted by tecolote

I agree, but at that point in the game with the score the way it was and the implications of a PI call (game over), you have to roll the dice and throw the flag.

If it was a good challenge you still have a miniscule chance of winning, if it was not, you lose anyway.

Maybe, or you lose the chance to challenge the next play and a timeout.

I don't see why it matters tho. He did throw the flag and we won the challenge.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Doomsday

Is there any doubt that JG will get out coached this weekend?

I don't even think like this. Do you think that Murray is going to out running back Lewis?

I do wonder if Garrett's team is going to come out as unprepared and jittery as they have the last few weeks. I never accept that it's a foregone conclusion that we lose. I try not to be a defeatist in the face of adversity though.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by AZBOYZFAN

Whats Aaron Rodger's record atm?

He's 2-3 but should be 3-2 had it not been for the rob job vs Seattle. Green Bay has been in every game they've played losing by a combined 13 points despite their OL issues. Not sure what your point is but everyone of Rodgers stats are better than Romo's and his OL has been far worse and the Packers running game hasn't been much better than the Cowboys.

The Packers are obviously not the team they were last year they seem to be suffering from a hangover after being immediately knocked off in the playoffs last season after going 15-1.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by AZBOYZFAN

Did their oline play the entire offseason, preseason and training camp together?

I'm not sure continuity is going to help the Cowboys OL much it's going to take adding better players during the offseason to fix the problem.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by koolaid

Hell, I'll give it a shot.

1. Since Garrett has become coach the overall talent and quality of the team has improved.

Which is why the team should be playing better than it is. Even though the talent has gotten better the team hasn't.

Originally Posted by koolaid

Our defense in particular is loaded with young talent and I believe it could become one of the best in the NFL for years to come. Some people here hate on Claiborne because of the cost but he could become a a true shutdown corner.

Our defense has been up and down like the rest of the team. It looked pretty good against the Giants on opening night but did receive some breaks from 3 drops by Cruz and a missed open receiver by Eli in the end zone that would have led to a Giants TD. The defense then got shredded on the ground by Seattle 11 days later. The D looked real solid against TB the following week then the secondary got abused by Chicago a week later.

Originally Posted by koolaid

2. We have put an emphasis on character guys. Dez is really the only guy on our roster who is a question mark IMO.

That hasn't changed the inconsistent pattern we've been seeing.

Originally Posted by koolaid

3. When we are clicking we can beat anyone. I truly believe that.

That's true for any team in the league it's the NFL. The problem with the Cowboys is they don't click very often too inconsistent.

Originally Posted by koolaid

4. Jason Witten and other leaders have endorsed him.

What head coach have the Cowboys had that Witten and the other leaders haven't endorsed? According to them they all loved Wade go back and read some of the glowing comments they made about him.

Originally Posted by koolaid

5. He is 15-13 as our head coach. He took over a team that was obviously flawed and has done good work with our roster.

He took over a team that was being picked by many prior to the 2010 season to play the SB in their own stadium. Exactly what good work has he done with our roster?

Originally Posted by koolaid

7. As Hos and other posted have said, we are not the only team who thinks he is head coaching material.

That's comforting to know. Not one other team would have hired Garrett as their head coach the way things were going in 2010. Garrett was under fire as the OC for making a boneheaded call that season right before the half vs Wash on opening night that led to a fumble that was scooped for a TD. His play calling contributed to that 6-10 season.

Originally Posted by koolaid

10. We were VERY close to winning the NFCE last year.

Right, until the team folded in Dec going 1-4 which included Garrett icing his own kicker which cost his team a game they desperately needed. At least you made an attempt at selling him.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by AZBOYZFAN

If you dont know who Reeves is in Cowboy lore you need to turn in your fan card. O and if you dont know what you wrote in this thread you might want to stop posting

Actually, I did mention two Reeves in this post. You know, the same Jacques Reeves I mentioned in the post, the guy who was god awful in our secondary, prior to Dave Campi coming, and yet we were still better in 2007 with such crappy CBs...

but as far as Dan Reeves, that fact does nothing to corraborate your point in reality, because it further cements the idea that Jerry wanted Jason to handle the OC duties, without interference, meaning he's been setting it up for Garrett from day one..

So like I said, what does it have to do with my point? You know the one about Jerry paving the way for Garrett, even when Wade was here... If anybody was hamstrung, it surely doesn't seem to be Garrett...

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by AZBOYZFAN

If you dont know who Reeves is in Cowboy lore you need to turn in your fan card. O and if you dont know what you wrote in this thread you might want to stop posting

not at all a fair complaint imho.

reeves simply didnt want to move here and leave his family in atlanta.

he wanted a consultant type role with an OC salary. he needed to make more money than he made on his tv gigs without needing to be in town more than a couple days per week.

he interviewed elsewhere after us and didn't take any other jobs either.

jerry's issue was hiring garrett before wade. that should not have happened and is both poor mgmt and terrible leadership.

[Doomsday]

Originally Posted by jterrell

jerry's issue was hiring garrett before wade. that should not have happened and is both poor mgmt and terrible leadership.

The real problem was no one was in charge of the team, JG ran his offense and Wade ran his defense. That left Jerry as the sudo HC so to speak. It seems like not too much has changed in that regard, only Ryan runs the defense now. I thought JG was going to be the HC in more then just title. When you have 3 people in charge, no one is in charge.

[Doomsay]

Originally Posted by Doomsday

The real problem was no one was in charge of the team, JG ran his offense and Wade ran his defense. That left Jerry as the sudo HC so to speak. It seems like not too much has changed in that regard, only Ryan runs the defense now. I thought JG was going to be the HC in more then just title. When you have 3 people in charge, no one is in charge.

IMO, that is a huge issue. There have been many examples of independent and established defensive coordinators that were in situ prior to a head coach being hired (LeBeau Buddy Ryan come to mind), but the almost theatrical orchestration of the not ready for prime time, head-coach-in waiting being hired prior to the supposed HC seemed really farcical. Although Garrett appears to be somewhat more in control of the team than Wade was, it is also clear that Jerry is still very much in command, Byzantine style.