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10-11-2012
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Too much passing? not enough running?
During the second half of Green Bay's loss to the Colts, the Packers ran 25 pass plays against only six runs, something the offensive line would like to see evened out a bit. Both guards, T.J. Lang and Josh Sitton, made sharp comments after the game questioning the scarcity of run plays called in a game the Packers led, 21-3, at halftime. They felt Colts pass rushers were able to keep their engines revved the entire second half, knowing there wouldn't be any reason to throttle down for a run play. ... [Said Jeff Saturday:] "It puts a ton of pressure on you up front when everybody in the building knows: This is what you got."
hmmm, its not just garrett.... and this coach has a superbowl ring. |
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10-11-2012
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Newo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CowboysFaninDC
During the second half of Green Bay's loss to the Colts, the Packers ran 25 pass plays against only six runs, something the offensive line would like to see evened out a bit. Both guards, T.J. Lang and Josh Sitton, made sharp comments after the game questioning the scarcity of run plays called in a game the Packers led, 21-3, at halftime. They felt Colts pass rushers were able to keep their engines revved the entire second half, knowing there wouldn't be any reason to [View Full Quote]throttle down for a run play. ... [Said Jeff Saturday:] "It puts a ton of pressure on you up front when everybody in the building knows: This is what you got."
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Does that remind anybody of the Detroit disaster last year? Garrett couldn't help Romo out of his slump by just running the football. Instead he fed into the turnovers but continuing to pass. |
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10-11-2012
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in their case, yes it seems a little idiotic to not rely on your running game when you're up 18 points
but in Garrett's defense, when you're constantly down 10+ points late in games, you really need to start moving the ball down the field via passing
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Originally Posted by silverbear
Ratliff will never make the Pro Bowl, and he shouldn't...
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10-11-2012
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Lightning Rod
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You win via the pass in the NFL.
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10-11-2012
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You Have an Axe to Grind
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Location: | Malibu Ca |
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The Cowboys have been playing from behind in some games and Murray has 17 runs for losses it's resulted in a lot of long down situations. You have to run some to keep defenses honest but the only way for the Cowboys to win games is by passing the ball. Murray is going to have to run straight ahead getting what he can and stop trying to cut and circle back it's resulting in a lot of negative runs.
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10-11-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KJJ
The Cowboys have been playing from behind in some games and Murray has 17 runs for losses it's resulted in a lot of long down situations. You have to run some to keep defenses honest but the only way for the Cowboys to win games is by passing the ball. Murray is going to have to run straight ahead getting what he can and stop trying to cut and circle back it's resulting in a lot of negative runs.
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He has to cut and circle back. There are defensive players in his face when he gets the handoff. I was one of the biggest critics of this line before the season and I am tired of talking about. The fact remains that the line is the problem with this team. Running or passing behind this mess of a line is a hard thing to do. It is not an excuse, it is the reason for this downward spiral of an offense. |
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10-11-2012
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Intramural Legend
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Location: | Canandaigua, NY |
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Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan
You win via the pass in the NFL.
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Nahhh |
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10-11-2012
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
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Originally Posted by jnday
He has to cut and circle back. There are defensive players in his face when he gets the handoff. I was one of the biggest critics of this line before the season and I am tired of talking about. The fact remains that the line is the problem with this team. Running or passing behind this mess of a line is a hard thing to do. It is not an excuse, it is the reason for this downward spiral of an offense.
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I'm aware he has to cut and circle back but on 1st down he has to make positive yardage and the best way is to not try and make something out of nothing. On 1st down he needs to make positive gains even if it's a yard or two to avoid these long down situations. He's running into a wall of defenders and cutting and circling back is leading to a lot of negative plays.
As bad as the OL is he needs to take what's there even if it's a no gain rather than cutting back and taking a 2-3 yard loss. I don't want to see Romo in these long down situations on Sunday where he's forcing throws down the field with Ed Reed licking his chops. |
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10-11-2012
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jnday
He has to cut and circle back. There are defensive players in his face when he gets the handoff. I was one of the biggest critics of this line before the season and I am tired of talking about. The fact remains that the line is the problem with this team. Running or passing behind this mess of a line is a hard thing to do. It is not an excuse, it is the reason for this downward spiral of an offense.
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Even when the blocking has been good Murray has lost confidence in the guys upfront.
There have been plays in each game where he's missed a hole or got too impatient and forced the ball into defenders.
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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10-11-2012
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Newo
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We need to start using some shotgun draws with Murray instead of only running the. Out of single back two tight end looks and iform. Would a little diversity kill us? I feel like the large majority of fans know when we will run and when we pass BC we do it out of completely different formations most of the time. We run about 1 Draw out of shotgun a game.
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10-11-2012
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Right Kind of Guy
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I absolutely love the OP. No, it isn't just the Cowboys, or Garrett, or our players. All teams do make these same types of mistakes and calls.
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10-12-2012
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Salary Cap Analyst
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan
You win via the pass in the NFL.
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You win by passing more effectively than your opponent. You don't (necessarily) win by passing more often than your opponent. |
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10-12-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamJT13
You win by passing more effectively than your opponent. You don't (necessarily) win by passing more often than your opponent.
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And when you cant run because you oline sucks so bad, it makes it even harder to pass because the defense can just pin their ears back.
As the official head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, Jason Garrett is 16-16............"Its a Process of stacking good days"
2013 Prediction: "NO PLAYOFFS"
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10-12-2012
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Salary Cap Analyst
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Originally Posted by Beast_from_East
And when you cant run because you oline ***s so bad, it makes it even harder to pass because the defense can just pin their ears back.
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Contrary to popular belief, the success or failure of the running game has minimal effect on the passing game. |
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10-12-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamJT13
Contrary to popular belief, the success or failure of the running game has minimal effect on the passing game.
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Not only is this true but we've been pretty succesful with PA fakes when we've tried them.
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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