Lance Armstrong stripped of all Tour De France titles & banned...

[jcollins28]

This is like Guns N Roses throwing Duff out of the band because, "he did to much drugs". Cycling and PED use goes together like peanut butter and jelly. Lance was just a superior cheater over the other cheaters...

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

The proof has been pointed out to you in other threads but other users...you just don't want to see it.

Sorry...you are a good man and I am not going to rag on you over this...we can agree to disagree.

OK. I have read all of the articles and I have read the piece in the NY Times that came out over the weekend. I understand the angle that is being introduced and I read a lot of that testimony but at the end of the day, no governing body has any proof that he tested dirty.

You know I like you BP and you know that I respect you, even if we don't always agree but I have a big problem with this. You are not supposed to be found guilty if there is no proof. I have never seen one positive test result reported.

Agree to disagree.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by jcollins28

This is like Guns N Roses throwing Duff out of the band because, "he did to much drugs". Cycling and PED use goes together like peanut butter and jelly. Lance was just a superior cheater over the other cheaters...

Nailed it

[burmafrd]

Bottom line is that everyone cheats- so why single him out?
IF anything is clear it is that no CONTENDER as far as anyone can establish right now IS clean.

Waiting for the answer.

[Sam I Am]

The funny thing is, they can never take the titles from him. He owns them and he won them. Their little eraser won't do anything to change history.

[Yeagermeister]

Originally Posted by Sam I Am

The funny thing is, they can never take the titles from him. He owns them and he won them. Their little eraser won't do anything to change history.

And I doubt he cares. He knows he won them.

[joseephuss]

I say get bent.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/19/us/lan...ong/index.html

Armstrong appeals to cancer supporters as some donors ask for their money back

Austin, Texas (CNN) -- For years, Connie and Daniel Roddy did all they could to support Livestrong, raising tens of thousands of dollars for the cancer charity founded by cyclist Lance Armstrong.

"It all started when Lance's first book came out," Connie Roddy said, referring to the 2001 publication of "It's Not About the Bike: My Journey Back to Life," which details Armstrong's bout with testicular cancer. "I read it cover to cover. I was just so taken by who he said he was."

The Roddys, who live in Santa Monica, California, say they initially gave $50,000 to the foundation. In 2003, Connie Roddy said, she helped organize an event for the foundation at a health club that raised an additional $150,000.

Now they want their money back.

"I feel we were really fooled. We were really hoodwinked," she said.

[MonsterD]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

I say get bent.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/19/us/lan...ong/index.html

Armstrong appeals to cancer supporters as some donors ask for their money back

Austin, Texas (CNN) -- For years, Connie and Daniel Roddy did all they could to support Livestrong, raising tens of thousands of dollars for the cancer charity founded by cyclist Lance Armstrong.

"It all started when Lance's first book came out," Connie Roddy said, referring to the 2001 publication of "It's Not About the Bike: My Journey Back to Life," which details Armstrong's bout with testicular cancer. "I read it cover to cover. I was just so taken by who he said he was."

[View Full Quote]The Roddys, who live in Santa Monica, California, say they initially gave $50,000 to the foundation. In 2003, Connie Roddy said, she helped organize an event for the foundation at a health club that raised an additional $150,000.

Now they want their money back.

"I feel we were really fooled. We were really hoodwinked," she said.

Ya that is utterly ridiculous. I could understand if it was going to the cycling team but to help fund research for a cure, c'mon.

[ABQCOWBOY]

This, IMO, is why he tried to distance himself from the Charity but I don't really know. Like all of us, I'm on the outside looking in but I gotta say that this stuff blows.

[burmafrd]

The whole upper tier of cycling is dirty. Why single one out?
Answer: because he was better at it

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

The whole upper tier of cycling is dirty. Why single one out?
Answer: because he was better at it

While I disagre, I can atleast respect this line of thinking as long as it's across the board. If you have no problem with athletes using PED in any sport or at the very least a sport where almost everyone else is (i.e baseball) then whatever.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

OK. I have read all of the articles and I have read the piece in the NY Times that came out over the weekend. I understand the angle that is being introduced and I read a lot of that testimony but at the end of the day, no governing body has any proof that he tested dirty.

You know I like you BP and you know that I respect you, even if we don't always agree but I have a big problem with this. You are not supposed to be found guilty if there is no proof. I have never seen one positive test result reported.

Agree to disagree.

the reason you're in the minority here, is there are other forms of proof besides drug test.

It's honestly hard to believe that the entire world of cycling including former teamates just have it in for the guy. Sworn testimony from countless teamates, friends and others detailing how Lance and others were able to get away with doping is more than the "hunch" you're making this seem to be.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

the reason you're in the minority here, is there are other forms of proof besides drug test.

It's honestly hard to believe that the entire world of cycling including former teamates just have it in for the guy. Sworn testimony from countless teamates, friends and others detailing how Lance and others were able to get away with doping is more than the "hunch" you're making this seem to be.

I don't know that I am in the minority here but let's agree that I am for the sake of discussion.

So far as I know, only a positive test can confirm if an athlete is using. What other forms of proof are acceptable according to cycling rules and regulations?

You have no credible proof, according to their own rules, that allow for what has taken place. You have those same cyclists using and you have the same kinds of statements about virtually every other high profile cyclist in the world but only Armstrong gets action taken against him.

You can say that there are other forms of proof all you want but it's not proof unless you have a dirty test.

[Sam I Am]

lol, they want their money that they donated to cancer research back? haha Let me guess. They are having debt issues these days and see a possibility of getting that cash back?

Not gonna happen.

[slomoxn]

Not that I cared for cycling, but Armstrong kept me interested enough to at least read about the Tour de France, occasionally turn it on the tv if it was on now... Cycling goes right along with underwater basket weaving competition.