I'm Gonna Throw This Out There!

[the_h0wey]

Originally Posted by cml750

If we do somehow manage to win this week I offer this warning: DO NOT START THINKING THIS TEAM IS GOING ANYWHERE!!! If they win they are just setting gullible fans up for emotional let downs. The higher you are the more it hurts when you fall. I definitely will not make that mistake again. I guarantee they will let you down!!

It's called being a fan. Sometimes your team is going to let you down, but you have to continue to support them no matter what. It is not easy...

[Zman5]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

In the NFL, winning has almost nothing to do with how well you run the ball.

What we really need to do is to pass the ball more effectively than our opponents -- which for us basically means not throwing nearly as many interceptions and maybe getting a few ourselves.

And how do you do that? By having a run game that defense has to account for.

If you are Tom Brady, you may not need one but even he has problems with team like Giants who can just pin their ears back and come after him without a threat of a running game.

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by Zman5

And how do you do that? By having a run game that defense has to account for.

Nope, there's very little correlation between having a successful run offense and having a successful pass offense -- or between running the ball well and winning the game, for that matter.

It matters very little how well you run the ball or stop the run. What wins in the NFL is passing better than your opponent.

[jobberone]

People need to go back and learn about the evolution of the modern passing offense and how that original offense relied on a heavy inside running game. On how certain variations of that offense do when defenses shut down certain aspects of that particular variation esp the run.

Stats don't show the effects of being able to run nor stopping it on how defenses have to react when that element is present or not. Or of how some variations just don't win without an effective running game.

You can't just look at numbers and get the entire picture. You have to know the variation being run, the players running it, the defenses facing it, yada. The modern NFL esp variations on vertical offenses are complicated and require complicated defenses to defeat it. It's just not simple.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Nope, there's very little correlation between having a successful run offense and having a successful pass offense -- or between running the ball well and winning the game, for that matter.

It matters very little how well you run the ball or stop the run. What wins in the NFL is passing better than your opponent.

So we need a better quarterback? It's that simple?

[Zman5]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Nope, there's very little correlation between having a successful run offense and having a successful pass offense -- or between running the ball well and winning the game, for that matter.

It matters very little how well you run the ball or stop the run. What wins in the NFL is passing better than your opponent.

I like to look at that data.

I can't believe that you can pass successfully against a good pass rushing defense when that defense know it only needs to defend a pass.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Pats have been one of the better passing teams for years, why are they making it a point to run the ball now?

[jobberone]

Run the ball well enough to make the defense have to respect it, pick up short yardage and open up the intermediate and long game. Running the ball does affect how defenses have to play you and that affects the passing game.

We run a vertical offense and that requires WRs learn their options and reads as well as run precise routes. If they can't do that then a vertical offense will FAIL.

Give the WRs and Romo enough time to work the tree esp the deep routes at least often enough to make the offense effective and create more problems for the defense.

Protect the ball.

Execute and win your matchups.

Calling the right plays helps but is minor esp if other things above aren't done.

[Zman5]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

So we need a better quarterback? It's that simple?

No we need an OC who knows how to utilize his QB's strengths.

Go look up what Romo's QB rating is when throwing a play action pass.
It's something like 130+. Yet his genius OC rarely calls it.

[Zman5]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

Pats have been one of the better passing teams for years, why are they making it a point to run the ball now?

And why haven't the Pats and the Packers done well against the Giants in the playoffs?

My guess is that the Giants defense can rush the passer well and not having a to defend the run, they are even better.

[sonnyboy]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Nope, there's very little correlation between having a successful run offense and having a successful pass offense -- or between running the ball well and winning the game, for that matter.

It matters very little how well you run the ball or stop the run. What wins in the NFL is passing better than your opponent.

You're obsessed with statistics my friend. Answer these very simple questions.

Is it easier to pass against a defense when it's certain you are going to run?

Is it easier to defend the pass when your not playing the run. Two deep safties, bump and run underneath and 4-5 pass rushers ripping up the field, getting after the QB?

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

So we need a better quarterback? It's that simple?

We're not going to get a better quarterback midseason and would have a difficult time finding a better one in the offseason.

What we need is the quarterback we have to play better, our receivers to play better, the line to pass block better, the defense to pass rush better and/or the linebackers and secondary to defend the pass better -- whatever it takes to pass better than our opponent in the game. If we do that, we will win the vast majority of our games. That's how you win in the NFL.

[Zman5]

Romo's QB rating for the season is 78.8. But his QB rating for the season when throwing a play action pass is 135.4. That's a huge difference.

Call more play action pass. That's one way of having your QB play better.

But in order for the play action to work well, we have to run better. Bottom line is, we run better, Romo can pass better if our OC knows what he is doing.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

We're not going to get a better quarterback midseason and would have a difficult time finding a better one in the offseason.

What we need is the quarterback we have to play better, our receivers to play better, the line to pass block better, the defense to pass rush better and/or the linebackers and secondary to defend the pass better -- whatever it takes to pass better than our opponent in the game. If we do that, we will win the vast majority of our games. That's how you win in the NFL.

Now this post is totally on target and absolutely correct. If you add it doesn't matter if you run well or stop the run then you're wrong. The team that passes better, defends the pass better, and plays sound football will win almost all the time. But you have to be able to run the ball effectively in a vertical offense or you are going to have problems passing the ball effectively.

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by sonnyboy

You're obsessed with statistics my friend. Answer these very simple questions.

Is it easier to pass against a defense when it's certain you are going to run?

Is it easier to defend the pass when your not playing the run. Two deep safties, bump and run underneath and 4-5 pass rushers ripping up the field, getting after the QB?

Whatever effects running the ball well has on being able to pass well, it is minimal. And whether you run the ball well or poorly, you can still pass it better than your opponent. If there was a correlation between running well and passing well, or between running well and winning, it would be evident -- but it's not.