So Romo called the play to o-tree on 3rd and 1? - Page 4 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

ufcrules1 · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by loublue22

Good teams play situational football and consider everything involved at any given moment. Of course scoring is ultimately the most important thing, but at 2nd and 1 already at the 19, we were in the PERFECT situation to continue to burn clock and move more methodically down the field. If it had been 2nd and 12 or something, no one would be complaining.

Literally everything about that situation dictated run, and it wasn't called, by Garrett or Romo or whoever. It was bad football, and it cost us AGAIN.

And that is coming from someone who has Romo as his avatar on the site.. so you KNOW he loves him some Romo. He is still being honest with himself. We were in the perfect position to run the ball and burn clock while methodically getting in position to score. Instead we get in the way of ourselves AGAIN.

ufcrules1 · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by GusTheo

It was 3rd and 1. And you're kind of proving the point. Everything about the situation dictated run, so you don't think the defense knew that? What has happened pretty much all year when we've tried to run? We've failed miserably. I'm not saying it was the best pass play, but I hav zero issue with checking out of the run into a pass there.

Yeah, a pass to Miles going across the middle who was wide open. Not a joke WR with 1:20+ seconds on the clock allowing Eli to come back and beat us.

TheCount · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by GusTheo

They needed a yard at the goal line and failed on first and second down. And failed miserably, didn't come close. This is not a good running team, especially if Murray is out.

So does that mean that next time we're in 2nd and 1 situations, you refuse to pass the ball and only run it because passing failed the last time?

I mean if the next play is always determined by the success or failure of of the previous play, does that mean that if you get 5 yards on a run, you run it the next time without fail?

What you're saying isn't so crazy, but if that's the way Garrett actually coaches he should have been fired a long time ago. That's a terrible way to approach play calling.

zrinkill · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Lonestar94

Is that the play where Romo threw it in the endzone and Ogletree dropped it?

If he would of hit Austin for the 1st down and still lost people would be saying "If he would of thrown to Ogletree in the endzone we could of won, poor decision by Romo!!"

This ....

GusTheo · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by ufcrules1

Yeah, a pass to Miles going across the middle who was wide open. Not a joke WR with 1:20+ seconds on the clock allowing Eli to come back and beat us.

I have no issues with this. I never said I agreed with the pass play selection, or the pass itself. Just that I felt like we had a better chance converting with the ball in Romos hands then Felix/Tanner/Vickers.

GusTheo · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by TheCount

So does that mean that next time we're in 2nd and 1 situations, you refuse to pass the ball and only run it because passing failed the last time?

I mean if the next play is always determined by the success or failure of of the previous play, does that mean that if you get 5 yards on a run, you run it the next time without fail?

What you're saying isn't so crazy, but if that's the way Garrett actually coaches he should have been fired a long time ago. That's a terrible way to approach play calling.

No. But all things considered (the way they were man handled earlier in the game when they needed a yard, the way they were ineffective running the ball all game, what romo saw in the defense) I pass on 3rd and 1 there all day long. Lets not forget about Felix's fumble. He isn't the most sure handed runner. If we had Murray, I'm more confident with a 3rd and 1 run.

I'm not saying we had 0 chance of converting if we ran, I just think our chances of getting a first were higher passing the ball.

Cowboy4ever · 10-31-2012

Some of you people amaze me. Like we live in a perfect world. We could have ran the ball and for sure got the first down, milked the clock down to nothing , scored and won the game.. it's just that simple, why didn't JC think of that.

Facts: We couldn't run all day, We have a match up on the out side that favored us, they had 10 players within 4 yards of the ball when it was snapped, not good for running, especially when we haven't been able to run at all for the rest of the game. You don't wait to score, you take your shot when you have the best opportunity. The match up was good, the pass was good. it didn't work out, get over it.. It was not a bad call or decision by either the Coach or by Romo. It's real easy to look at the results of the play and decide if it was a good call or not. Little differnt if you have to make your decison without knowing the results. The match up favored us, period.

Joe Rod · 10-31-2012

If I felt the O-line was remotely capable of pushing the pile for one yard against that front I would be upset. They were not, so I was not upset at all. There may be more of this before the year is out. DeMarco will help, but he can't block for himself.

Oh_Canada · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboy4ever

Some of you people amaze me. Like we live in a perfect world. We could have ran the ball and for sure got the first down, milked the clock down to nothing , scored and won the game.. it's just that simple, why didn't JC think of that.

Facts: We couldn't run all day, We have a match up on the out side that favored us, they had 10 players within 4 yards of the ball when it was snapped, not good for running, especially when we haven't been able to run at all for the rest of the game. You don't wait to score, you take your shot when you have the best opportunity. The match up was good, the pass was good. it didn't work out, get over it.. It was not a bad call or decision by either the Coach or by Romo. It's real easy to look at the results of the play and decide if it was a good call or not. Little differnt if you have to make your decison without knowing the results. The match up favored us, period.

Untrue-they had six in the box first off. That alone makes Tony's decisions to audible nuts. Secondly, you have three BETTER throwing options than a low percentage streak to a guy who has had one good game in his career. Witten/Austin were killing them all game and from all accounts Miles was wide open. How anyone can say it's not a bad decision given the full compliment of To's, time on the clock and the QB you are playing against. Manning can go forty yards with three timeouts in his sleep.

Cowboy4ever · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Untrue-they had six in the box first off. That alone makes Tony's decisions to audible nuts. Secondly, you have three BETTER throwing options than a low percentage streak to a guy who has had one good game in his career. Witten/Austin were killing them all game and from all accounts Miles was wide open. How anyone can say it's not a bad decision given the full compliment of To's, time on the clock and the QB you are playing against. Manning can go forty yards with three timeouts in his sleep.

Can't play scared. Again,you take your shot when you have the best opportuntiy. And when we lined up, they have only 2 guys back beyond 4 yards of the LOS.. the safeties.. one of them start creeping down before the snap.. that puts 10 guys within 4 yards of the LOS when we snapped the ball.. you will have a very hard time picking up anything running the ball in that situation, especially with our OL. Could he have thrown to someone else, yep.. but I also bet that the D was bracketing both Miles and Witten.. cuz they know they have been killing them all day too. The best match up for us was on the outside, Romo took the shoot. I don't think it is a bad decision to try and take advantage of the best match up we have. You base your argument on the results. Just because the play didn't work out, doesn't make it a bad call or decision.

tecolote · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboy4ever

Can't play scared. Again,you take your shot when you have the best opportuntiy. And when we lined up, they have only 2 guys back beyond 4 yards of the LOS.. the safeties.. one of them start creeping down before the snap.. that puts 10 guys within 4 yards of the LOS when we snapped the ball.. you will have a very hard time picking up anything running the ball in that situation, especially with our OL. Could he have thrown to someone else, yep.. but I also bet that the D was bracketing both Miles and Witten.. cuz they know they have been killing them all day too. The best match up for us was on the outside, Romo took the shoot. I don't think it is a bad decision to try and take advantage of the best match up we have. You base your argument on the results. Just because the play didn't work out, doesn't make it a bad call or decision.

Disagree, that is the exact situation when you do not take your shot, you don't leave time for Eli to possibly win the game with a FG. That is beyond dumb.

A good coach thinks about those things.

Ren · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Chuck 54

Again, there is nothing wrong with passing on 3rd and 1...there were plenty of guys in the pattern, and I'm sure at least someone ran a 1-2 yard pattern...Romo is the one who saw man-press coverage with Prince and decided without looking anywhere else to throw to the end zone. The calls from the sideline don't dictate where the QB decides to look and throw. They are plays designed to get the yardage needed. After that, it is up to the players on the field.

You are correct Austin was wide open on the other side for a easy first

ufcrules1 · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by GusTheo

No. But all things considered (the way they were man handled earlier in the game when they needed a yard, the way they were ineffective running the ball all game, what romo saw in the defense) I pass on 3rd and 1 there all day long. Lets not forget about Felix's fumble. He isn't the most sure handed runner. If we had Murray, I'm more confident with a 3rd and 1 run.

I'm not saying we had 0 chance of converting if we ran, I just think our chances of getting a first were higher passing the ball.

Man handled at the one yard line when the the defensive is stacking the box is one thing, but at the 20 yard line when they were not stacking the box is a whole different story. I think the odds are pretty high we get the one yard. Much higher than throwing to a scrub WR who hadn't had one catch in the game.

Cowboy4ever · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by tecolote

Disagree, that is the exact situation when you do not take your shot, you don't leave time for Eli to possibly win the game with a FG. That is beyond dumb.

A good coach thinks about those things.

We needed a TD to take the lead. If you get the right match up, of course you take your shot. A good coach puts his team in a position to win the game, which means, having more points than the other team. No way can you pass up on a chance to score a TD, just because it leaves more time on the clock than you want.. not in that situation. By that logic,, even if the CB had slipped and O was running completely unguarded into the endzone, you would have not thrown it to him?? Don't be silly.

GusTheo · 10-31-2012

You guys are nuts saying you don't leave Eli time. Obviously we'd like to leave him as little time as possible. But at the end of the day we didn't score on that drive. What situation would you rather have, being ahead with Eli having the ball, or not scoring at all. You score when you can. It's not like we were tied or a fg would bring us to tie/win. When you need a TD you take it when you can get it. You don't get cute.