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Old 11-01-2012   #16
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I believe it is just a matter of time before our coaching staff wakes up and smells the 6 week old coffee grounds. Beastley will play a role in the success of this team before it's all said & done.
Like Miles Austin having an all-world performance unexpectedly due to injury, only to have JG's coaching once again reign supreme, with the offense going into sputtering mode.
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Old 11-01-2012   #17
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Why did Emmitt Smith not start on day 1 when he came to Dallas? Before the KC game Miles was given playing time and often would end up hurt and missing weeks of practice slowing down his progress. it is not that they did not want him out there but things are not done on a whim and they sure as hell are not done on fans time table.
So if not for the injury to RW, when does Austin see the field as a starter?
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A lot of coaches are reluctant to play rookies or unproven players. The known option is safer.

You can't just blindly rely on the theory that they'll play in games if they prove themselves during the week.
I think it's because avoiding bad plays is a lot more important than people realize. It doesn't show up much on tv, but even one extra blown pass protection is a reason to go with a veteran RB over a rookie who shows maybe more explosiveness in the passing game.

Now, at WR, when your vets can't run the right routes properly, I'm not sure what you gain by continuing to give them snaps. That's when I think you look at bringing in other players or throwing to other positions. I think we're there, now. I'd like to see somebody getting some snaps. Hana and Philips are my top candidates, but it'd be great to see Harris, Holmes, or Beasley produce something and earn more playing time.
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Well, don't blink, because Beasley is in for about a 2-quarter career.

He and his 7th-grade body will get broken in half.
Danny Woodhead, Darren Sproles, and Wes Welker all probably had same thing said when they were rookies...
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I think so too but I also think it starts on the practice field and in the class room. That is where players gain trust. If he is getting it done out there he will get his chance
Then why is Dez out there?
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So if not for the injury to RW, when does Austin see the field as a starter?
I think at some point he would have. Austin was getting time before RW got to Dallas but he would go in make a few plays and get injured. Losing time and reps.

No doubt an injury can open the door for a player but that is not just in Dallas. People act as if Dallas is the only team who does this, well wake up watch some other teams instead of putting the micro scope on the Cowboys.

There is no doubt what players do Monday through Friday makes a big difference in the eyes of the coach in terms of how quickly they put a player out there and the role that player will take.
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Then why is Dez out there?
Dez does a lot of good things that the coaches see in him. No doubt Dez makes mistakes and needs to get that cleaned up he also can make plays that I don't see any of the other WR capable of making. Dez is a big physical WR and I don't see that trait in any of the others to lineup as an outside WR. Beasly sure as heck is not an outside WR, I think he is a guy that could have success in the slot
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Why did Emmitt Smith not start on day 1 when he came to Dallas?
Cuz he held out in training camp? Wouldn't that have a slight effect on it?

He signed his contract 5 days before the start of the season.
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Cuz he held out in training camp? Wouldn't that have a slight effect on it?

He signed his contract 5 days before the start of the season.
Sure but it is also pretty common that players are not just thrown out there.
Because fans want to see a player means nothing, coaches need to see these guys producing in practice that is where you earn playing time.
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I believe it is just a matter of time before our coaching staff wakes up and smells the 6 week old coffee grounds. Beastley will play a role in the success of this team before it's all said & done.
Totally agree.
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Well, don't blink, because Beasley is in for about a 2-quarter career.

He and his 7th-grade body will get broken in half.
He will accomplish more in those 2 qtrs. than our other wide receivers if they target him.
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Sure but it is also pretty common that players are not just thrown out there.
Because fans want to see a player means nothing, coaches need to see these guys producing in practice that is where you earn playing time.
If Emmitt had not held out, he was have started Day 1.

Aikman started as a rookie the year before.
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Ogletree hasn't done anything notable since game 1, except possibly getting a bruised sternum from that pass that bounced off his chest. Give Cole a chance.
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I think it's because avoiding bad plays is a lot more important than people realize. It doesn't show up much on tv, but even one extra blown pass protection is a reason to go with a veteran RB over a rookie who shows maybe more explosiveness in the passing game.

Now, at WR, when your vets can't run the right routes properly, I'm not sure what you gain by continuing to give them snaps. That's when I think you look at bringing in other players or throwing to other positions. I think we're there, now. I'd like to see somebody getting some snaps. Hana and Philips are my top candidates, but it'd be great to see Harris, Holmes, or Beasley produce something and earn more playing time.
I would agree with both points. We saw Romo go out for the year on a missed blocking assignment by a rookie. It can make any coach bashful about playing unproven players.

I mean, I'm all for it....but my job isn't on the line either.

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Well, don't blink, because Beasley is in for about a 2-quarter career.

He and his 7th-grade body will get broken in half.
Just like Desean Jackson was....?
Still left to accomplish:
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