Anthony Spencer

[burmafrd]

We do not have the cap space to waste it on a above average player.

He will be looking for 7 million or so a year.

NO WAY.

[Kristen82]

Aren't the strongside LB's primary responsibilities to stop the run and cover the TE? So once the ball is snapped he's basically hovering close behind the line unless he specifically is assigned to go in on a blitz, right? Plus he's always going to be facing an extra blocker on his side with that TE lined up opposite him. Not sure then how you can expect a ton of pressure from the SAM unless you send him in on the blitz a lot. I mean, Ahmad Brooks only has 4 sacks so far. Woodley only has 3.

[Oh_Canada]

I'm good with re-signing for a reasonable price. They do need to add pass rushers in the offseason however--BADLY.

[Crown Royal]

Sure, for the right price


It seems to me that nearly every time we lose there are regular complaints about the pass rush. I personally don't get it, because I saw Matt Ryan rushed on many of his throws. We were getting pressure from The line and he was checking down regularly. The problem with that game was more tackling and safeties than pressure. Sensabaugh had an awful night.

[Gaede]

I like Spencer. I think we should resign him.

He does things that aren't flashy, but he's reliable and has a very important role on this team

Good teams always have players like Spencer that don't make the headlines.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Gaede

I like Spencer. I think we should resign him.

He does things that aren't flashy, but he's reliable and has a very important role on this team

Good teams always have players like Spencer that don't make the headlines.

but not at the price he will demand

[Joshmil53]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Sure, for the right price


It seems to me that nearly every time we lose there are regular complaints about the pass rush. I personally don't get it, because I saw Matt Ryan rushed on many of his throws. We were getting pressure from The line and he was checking down regularly. The problem with that game was more tackling and safeties than pressure. Sensabaugh had an awful night.

Exactly, somewhere I read he was only sacked like 3 times through 7 weeks.... we got 3 that night alone.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Joshmil53

Exactly, somewhere I read he was only sacked like 3 times through 7 weeks.... we got 3 that night alone.

I believe last year he only rushed the passer about 15% less than ware did.

This idea that he is in coverage half the time is bogus.

[Joshmil53]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

I believe last year he only rushed the passer about 15% less than ware did.

This idea that he is in coverage half the time is bogus.

Thing is you cant compare to ware. Hes a once in a decade talent.

[Yakuza Rich]

I would like to look elsewhere. He's simply not worth the franchise tag type money we are paying him. We need somebody who can consistently get to the QB from the other side of Ware. Not only that, if Ware gets hurt we are screwed.

I think between Ratliff and Hatcher, we tend to get a good game pressuring the QB from one of them. And from what I've seen, the defense is usually better when both Ware and Spencer are on their A Game than when Ware and one of the D-Linemen are on their A Game.

Of course, this could be easier if we ever decided to work to stockpile draft picks again.





YR

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Joshmil53

Thing is you cant compare to ware. Hes a once in a decade talent.

some of his homers though try

[neosapien23]

Does anyone think Osi Umenyiora could play the strong side? My brother and I disagree with this. I think Osi has the size and speed to be a factor lined up opposite Ware despite his lack of experience in playing outside linebacker. I think he and Ware would be a killer duo and I don't think Osi is going to get the big money he is expecting on the open market, but I wouldn't mind bringing him in for the money that it would take to sign Spencer.

[Joshmil53]

Originally Posted by neosapien23

Does anyone think Osi Umenyiora could play the strong side? My brother and I disagree with this. I think Osi has the size and speed to be a factor lined up opposite Ware despite his lack of experience in playing outside linebacker. I think he and Ware would be a killer duo and I don't think Osi is going to get the big money he is expecting on the open market, but I wouldn't mind bringing him in for the money that it would take to sign Spencer.

Osi is washed up.

[neosapien23]

Originally Posted by Joshmil53

Osi is washed up.

The dude has 4 sacks this year as a part time player. Last year he had 9 despite missing games and losing a starting role. He sacked Romo twice last year despite being washed up. Is he DWare? No...But I think he brings alot more than Spencer and he will not cost big money. He will probably sign for somewhere around six to seven mill while Spencer thinks he is worth 9 mill.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

but not at the price he will demand

This is my biggest concern. For somewhere between 4-5, maybe 6/year, I can see it. Anything more and you are now overpaying. Which may be something someone else in the league may want to do. Best case is Jerry stops worrying about a deal for an injured player (Church) or a player who makes some nice plays but isn't completely reliable (Sensabaugh, Scandrick) and gets a deal done with Spencer before he hits the free market. Get him for 4.5/year for 4-5 years and we are pretty solid and not overpaying.

Originally Posted by Joshmil53

Exactly, somewhere I read he was only sacked
like 3 times through 7 weeks.... we got 3 that night alone.

Ryan gets the ball out pretty quick. The times he was able to complete a deep pass had nothing to do with a lack of passrush, but more to do with the lack of reliable safety support.

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

I would like to look elsewhere. He's simply not worth the franchise tag type money we are paying him. We need somebody who can consistently get to the QB from the other side of Ware. Not only that, if Ware gets hurt we are screwed.

I think between Ratliff and Hatcher, we tend to get a good game pressuring the QB from one of them. And from what I've seen, the defense is usually better when both Ware and Spencer are on their A Game than when Ware and one of the D-Linemen are on their A Game.

Of course, this could be easier if we ever decided to work to stockpile draft picks again.
YR

I'd agree with you on looking elsewhere, but it just isn't on the highest list of needs for me. I'd sooner keep him, try to find a nice pass rusher to spell him or play on the DL, and focus next offseason on improving my OL, Safeties and WR corps.

Spencer could possibly be improved but I don't want to make that a glaring need if I can get these other pieces.