Jimmy Johnson calls Jerry Jones' G.M. claims a "crock" - Page 11 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

THUMPER · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

It was a failure.

Shula had 24 of 26 seasons of .500+ teams before Jimmy came in.

In the 4 years prior to Jimmy, the Dolphins went 39-25 with Shula. In the 4 years with Jimmy, the Dolphins went 38-26.

They also had the largest playoff loss in NFL history.

I've seen this stated twice in this thread now and it isn't true.

The 1940 NFL Championship game: Bears 73 - Redskins 0

That was the largest playoff loss in NFL history.

Just sayin zall.

Dodger · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Idgit

The topic of Jerry's role when it comes to a coach disciplining players or benching players during a game is one I'd actually like to see the Dallas media go crazy with for a change. Hear what Jason has to say about his authority in that regard, and why he choses to keep players who make game-swinging mental errors in the game. Hear what Jerry is willing to say on record about Jason's ability to bench whoever he wants, whenever he wants.

I'm pretty sure they'll both say it's up to Jason, but I'd like to hear it for the record.

Ditto. I would love to hear what he has to say about this...of course, whether what he says is the truth or not is another matter.

muck4doo · 11-07-2012

Finally it is said!!!

Yakuza Rich · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by McLovin

Agree both made bad decisions, but I understand why Jimmy took the Miami gig at the time. Marino had a typical Marino-year in 1995. I assume he wanted to win with another team, and call it a career. Didnt work out.

I never understood why Jimmy took the Miami gig because they are the Miami Dolphins and we are the Dallas Cowboys.

Like comparing horse manure to ice cream.

And I still look at Jimmy as an ingrate. Every NFL expert looked at Jimmy as a joke to come to the NFL, but Jerry hired him anyway. Then the team goes 1-15 and that just validated that Jimmy was a joke (at that time). I could be wrong, but I don't know of another head coach that has come back to coach a team after a 1-15 season.

Whether Jimmy and his fans like it or not, Jerry Jones was a big part of his career and legacy as a football coach.

For as every bit of an ego that Jerry has had about his relationship with Jimmy, had every bit of that ego. At least Jerry has given Jimmy credit over the years. I have yet to hear Jimmy credit Jerry for hiring him and keeping him after a brutal first season when NOBODY else wanted him.

YR

Yakuza Rich · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by THUMPER

I've seen this stated twice in this thread now and it isn't true.

The 1940 NFL Championship game: Bears 73 - Redskins 0

That was the largest playoff loss in NFL history.

Just sayin zall.

Well, I think it's safe to say that I'm talking Super Bowl years. But if you want to hang your hat on losing 62-7 as being so much better than losing 73-0 back in 1940 (we weren't even in WWII, yet)...knock yourself out.

YR

cajuncocoa · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by KJJ

The worst decision Jimmy made was rocking the boat in Dallas after the Cowboys won their second consecutive SB which led to him leaving a great situation and entering a bad one in Miami. Had Jimmy not got so full of himself and stayed with the Cowboys he might have won 4 straight SB's that would have put him on a level no head coach had ever reached. It all resulted in Jimmy's coaching career ending on a sour note with a 62-7 loss to Jacksonville in the 99 playoffs.

You know, most team owners would allow even an egotistical coach to strut his stuff without having to steal the spotlight away from him. Tom Benson certainly did not do that to Sean Payton, he allowed SP to have all of the credit he deserves for the Saints' success. So how did Jimmy "rock the boat"? Because he wanted to coach his team his way? Name one coach who doesn't (Jason Garrett excluded). Because he got sick and tired of Jerry constantly taking the credit for deals and players that Jimmy got for us? Is there a reason Jerry couldn't just sit back and let Jimmy bask in the glow and win a few more Super Bowls for him and for us?

**MichaelWinicki** · 11-07-2012

Jimmy's an egomaniac just as much as Jerry.

Jimmy's draft's were a success in Dallas due in part to the number of picks.

Also two of the main cogs were already here... Irvin & Norton.

And really Aikman was giftwrapped to them.

Jimmy was a very good coach, but I'm not sold on him being some cracker-jack identifier of talent.

His drafts in Miami weren't anything to write home about.

BoysFan4ever · 11-07-2012

Well one thing is for darn sure.

If Jimmy said I'll coach tomorrow he'd have a job in about 10 seconds.

**MichaelWinicki** · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by cajuncocoa

You know, most team owners would allow even an egotistical coach to strut his stuff without having to steal the spotlight away from him. Tom Benson certainly did not do that to Sean Payton, he allowed SP to have all of the credit he deserves for the Saints' success. So how did Jimmy "rock the boat"? Because he wanted to coach his team his way? Name one coach who doesn't (Jason Garrett excluded). Because he got sick and tired of Jerry constantly taking the credit for deals and players that Jimmy got for us? Is there a reason Jerry couldn't just sit back and let Jimmy bask in the glow and win a few more Super Bowls for him and for us?

Jimmy wasn't going to stay here any more than perhaps one more year.

Sean Payton doesn't strike me as being an insufferable egomaniac. Jimmy-- well...

Chocolate Lab · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Jimmy was a very good coach, but I'm not sold on him being some cracker-jack identifier of talent.

THUMPER · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Well, I think it's safe to say that I'm talking Super Bowl years. But if you want to hang your hat on losing 62-7 as being so much better than losing 73-0 back in 1940 (we weren't even in WWII, yet)...knock yourself out.

YR

Well, you were the one who specifically said "in NFL history" not in the Super Bowl era so no, it was not safe to say that's what you meant.

I'm not hanging my hat on anything, not sure why you said that or why you are taking such an antagonistic tone with me. You made a statement that was not accurate and you were corrected. If you can't handle it then that is your problem.

Doomsday · 11-07-2012

The older Jerry gets the more he starts buying his own lies.

silver · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Doomsay

Well this didn't take long, looks eerily familiar, as if someone called it in.

Jimmy Johnson gets facts wrong about Jerry Jones

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...ts-facts-wrong

right on cue.

Diogenes · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Hey, it helps some people sleep at night.

MizzouCowboy · 11-07-2012

I think both of 'em just need to shut up. It's like listening to a couple of 3 year old kids fight over a toy. I'm so sick of both of 'em.

Am I seriously suppose to believe, especially after seeing how Jerry Jones has been since he bought the Cowboys, that Jimmy could sign, draft, or whatever without AT LEAST mentioning it to Jerry. Jerry is the owner, and I have to believe that although the roster was built mostly by Jimmy, that decisions were made TOGETHER.

It's just a shame that these two egotistical, whine-bag babies had to destroy something that was magical. All because of wanting ALL OF THE CREDIT. Dynasties are not built alone. I'm sure assistant coaches, trainers, scouts, and even the equipment manager deserve just a little credit.

I think we should tie them both up at the 50 yard line, right smack-dab in the middle of the STAR, start a line that includes every Cowboys fan, and take turns kicking them both right in the butt for killing what could have been. Then maybe, just maybe, they will both shut up.