Jimmy Johnson calls Jerry Jones' G.M. claims a "crock"

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Exactly. Everyone knows Jimmy built the team, not Jerry. But Jimmy's claim that Jerry didn't hold those titles when he was there is "a crock."

Jimmy also claimed that he was the "personnel director" when he was here, which is another crock. Bob Ackles was the personnel director until 1992, when he was replaced by Stephen Jones. Jimmy never held that title.

Again, Jimmy built the team, but he never held any of those titles, and he's wrong about Jerry not holding them when he was here.

How often do you think Jimmy read the press guide?

[RS12]

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Really, the No. 1 motivator is fear, you know, fear of maybe letting down your teammates, of being chastised or maybe losing your job. Where’s the fear in Dallas? There’s no fear in Dallas. It’s a country club where everybody’s buddies,” Johnson said.

Hello losing culture.

[rocboy22]

Originally Posted by MizzouCowboy

I think both of 'em just need to shut up. It's like listening to a couple of 3 year old kids fight over a toy. I'm so sick of both of 'em.

Am I seriously suppose to believe, especially after seeing how Jerry Jones has been since he bought the Cowboys, that Jimmy could sign, draft, or whatever without AT LEAST mentioning it to Jerry. Jerry is the owner, and I have to believe that although the roster was built mostly by Jimmy, that decisions were made TOGETHER.

It's just a shame that these two egotistical, whine-bag babies had to destroy something that was magical. All because of wanting ALL OF THE CREDIT. Dynasties are not built alone. I'm sure assistant coaches, trainers, scouts, and even the equipment manager deserve just a little credit.

[View Full Quote]I think we should tie them both up at the 50 yard line, right smack-dab in the middle of the STAR, start a line that includes every Cowboys fan, and take turns kicking them both right in the butt for killing what could have been. Then maybe, just maybe, they will both shut up.

100% right. nice post. like, really, if jimmy wanted to sign some schmuck to a 10 mil per year contract back then, does anyone really think he could have just done it without jerry's consent? Also, Jerry most likely just did whatever Jimmy said as long as it was OK with him financially, because he knew jimmy was smarter about actual football decisions. It obviously has always been a collaborative effort.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Jimmy's an egomaniac just as much as Jerry.

Jimmy's draft's were a success in Dallas due in part to the number of picks.

And you cannot take his success away from him despite that.

The Rams had a blockbuster deal for Eric Dickerson land them a slew of choices and they were not nearly as successful.

Indianapolis got a nice collection of picks for Marshall Faulk and blew nearly all of them.

It is not just the number of selections, it was what was done with them in the process of building a team.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

I never understood why Jimmy took the Miami gig because they are the Miami Dolphins and we are the Dallas Cowboys.

Like comparing horse manure to ice cream.

And I still look at Jimmy as an ingrate. Every NFL expert looked at Jimmy as a joke to come to the NFL, but Jerry hired him anyway. Then the team goes 1-15 and that just validated that Jimmy was a joke (at that time). I could be wrong, but I don't know of another head coach that has come back to coach a team after a 1-15 season.

Whether Jimmy and his fans like it or not, Jerry Jones was a big part of his career and legacy as a football coach.

For as every bit of an ego that Jerry has had about his relationship with Jimmy, had every bit of that ego. At least Jerry has given Jimmy credit over the years. I have yet to hear Jimmy credit Jerry for hiring him and keeping him after a brutal first season when NOBODY else wanted him.



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YR

All very fair and valid points. However, I do believe that Jerry had to lean on Jimmy to get the right players (Michael Irvin connections) to evaluate talent and defer to him to make the initial decisions. It just isnt prudent that Jerry came right off the oil fields and immediately added value breaking down film.

That said, I can see that Jerry may have used some of his unassuming and äw shucks business smarts to pull off the Walker trade much better than Jimmy could have. Ï see Jerry as the venture capitalist and money man. He took Jimmy's order, and executed it. There is value in that, but Jimmy was the brains behind the talent and the performance

[Howardlittleton64]

Originally Posted by jgboys1

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says he always has been and always will be the general manager in Dallas. The former Cowboys coach who won two Super Bowls in Dallas says Jones is full of it.
Jimmy Johnson, Jones’s former college teammate who was hired by Jones to coach the Cowboys shortly after Jones bought the franchise in 1989, said on the Dan Patrick Show that Jones may claim he has always called the shots, but that the Super Bowl-winning teams of the 1990s were actually built by Johnson.
[View Full Quote]“That is completely a bunch of crock,” Johnson said. “Jerry started putting all those titles on himself after I left. He didn’t call himself general manager and president and all that stuff when I was there. He was just the owner.


Read more.......

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...laims-a-crock/

Wait I thought I read here that wasn't true.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Well, I think it's safe to say that I'm talking Super Bowl years. But if you want to hang your hat on losing 62-7 as being so much better than losing 73-0 back in 1940 (we weren't even in WWII, yet)...knock yourself out.








YR

Factually what you said (playoff loss) was incorrect

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by birdwells1

Much respect Adam but it sounds like you take umberage to Jimmy's claim that Jerry had nothing to do with building nor coaching the 90's Cowboys.

I say this because you are disputing titles when title don't really matter. Your posts seem rather hostile.

I wouldn't take umbrage if Jimmy claimed that Jerry was the president and GM, but he (Jimmy) really was responsible for building the team. Everyone has known that to be true for the past two decades.

I'm just pointing out that Jimmy is wrong when he said that --

-- "started putting all those titles on himself after I left. He didn’t call himself general manager and president and all that stuff when I was there. He was just the owner."

Completely false.

-- “I was the personnel director there with the Cowboys."

Also completely false.

Again, Jimmy deserves most or all of the credit for building the team, but he never held any of those titles. Jerry was the president and GM, and Bob Ackles, followed by Stephen Jones, were the personnel directors.

[cajuncocoa]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Jimmy wasn't going to stay here any more than perhaps one more year.

Sean Payton doesn't strike me as being an insufferable egomaniac. Jimmy-- well...

The point was not that Payton is an egomaniac, but that no one is trying to push him out of the spotlight in NOLA.

[TwoDeep3]

Sorry, I cannot look at the facts and come away with jerry being absolved of anything.

Jimmy was hired to build a franchise.

Jimmy churned the team the first year. 1-15 be damned, Jimmy built this franchise.

So many want to blame Jimmy for leaving. I too defended Jerry for years.

But the truth is no rewriting of history will change the truth, which is Jerry makes the final decisions and this team is 123-125 since Jimmy's team was disbanded.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Alexander

And you cannot take his success away from him despite that.

The Rams had a blockbuster deal for Eric Dickerson land them a slew of choices and they were not nearly as successful.

Indianapolis got a nice collection of picks for Marshall Faulk and blew nearly all of them.

It is not just the number of selections, it was what was done with them in the process of building a team.

I never said that it should be taken away from him. But it's not clear, cut & dry that Jimmy is some kind of terrific talent evaluator.

There was a certain amount of lady luck that smiled on the Cowboys during that time period.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by cajuncocoa

The point was not that Payton is an egomaniac, but that no one is trying to push him out of the spotlight in NOLA.

No question.

But to expect every owner to be like Tom Benson... Well that's not realistic either.

That franchise (the Saints) wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before Bree's arrival... And it's starting to back to its roots now.

[cajuncocoa]

I recognize that most people posting in this thread get it. But to those who don't and continue to support and defend Jerry: WHY? Is it because you were too young to see what was happening between 1989-94 for yourselves? I really don't understand how you can defend this man! We can sit here and argue over who between Jimmy and Jerry built the Cowboys to a 3x championship team, but you can't deny that Jerry has not been successful without Jimmy. Being the boss, it would not have killed him to be the better man and allow Jimmy to have as much glory as his ego could handle...doing so could have won another 1, 2, maybe 3 championships for our Cowboys team.

Remember, Jerry didn't stop there. About a year later, he was trying to make himself bigger than even the NFL itself -- going outside the NFL's contract with "official" corporate sponsors to gather corporate sponsorship for the Dallas Cowboys alone. Sure, we were "big enough" to do that, but it wasn't smart business to slap the other franchises and the NFL in the face like that.

[cajuncocoa]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

No question.

But to expect every owner to be like Tom Benson... Well that's not realistic either.

That franchise (the Saints) wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before Bree's arrival... And it's starting to back to its roots now.

LOL....Tom Benson is not exactly God's gift to NFL ownership. He tried to take the team out of here only months after the city was struck by Katrina. He can be a real jerk too, and he has his faults, but getting in Sean Payton's (or any other of his previous coach's) business isn't one of them.

[silver]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

I never said that it should be taken away from him. But it's not clear, cut & dry that Jimmy is some kind of terrific talent evaluator.

There was a certain amount of lady luck that smiled on the Cowboys during that time period.

He knew talent coming up from the college ranks from 89-93 having being involved in recruiting most of them while with the U. I'm not sure it would work today per se as he would have to rely on others to do most of the scouting/evaluating. I would say timing more than anything had to do with their sucess then more than luck. The Hershell Walker trade gave him the ammo and being able to "steal" Charles Haley from the niners put them over the top. I'm not sure Jerry knew Charles Haley from Bill Haley.