Anthony Spencer

[CaptainMorgan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I wouldn't even entertain the thought. We need better opposite Ware and even a replacement for Ware in the pipeline too.

We also need younger. This team needs to really go into rebuild mode. I dont see the players on this roster competing for a lombardi.

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by CaptainMorgan

We also need younger. This team needs to really go into rebuild mode. I dont see the players on this roster competing for a lombardi.

I think we're already in rebuilding mode and have been for the last two years.

There's some age on the DL, but this roster is loaded with players that have been in the league less than 5 years.

[Bigdog24]

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

On the other hand, we could draft his replacement and spend the money on a quality OL in free agency. Either way you look at it you have to make up your mind which direction you want to go when free agency starts.

The Cowboys just cant give DWARE type money for an average to occasionally good OLB. Spencer is average at best 80% of the time. If its a cap friendly deal I say lets keep him, and focus on other needs in the draft.

But if Spencer wants to test the market, let him jump. Yet, in the end we all no Jerry will give Spencer some crazy 100mil contract for the good of the franchise.......LOL

Its time for the GM Jerry Jones to make a stand and FIX this pathetic team and FIX it NOW...

[CaptainMorgan]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

I think we're already in rebuilding mode and have been for the last two years.

There's some age on the DL, but this roster is loaded with players that have been in the league less than 5 years.

youre right, but out of all these young guys which ones are keepers?

On offense besides Smith, who is the future? Murray cant stay healthy, Dez and Miles are just blatantly overrated. Its really not looking good at all.

We can build off the young players we have on defense we just desperately need to improve the line and add depth. Its the offense that is going to likely need to be blown up and started over on. We need to figure out how to pull off another "great train robbery" and stockpile draft picks.

[Verdict]

This is a lose/lose situation for the Cowboys. If they let him go, then there will likely be some dropoff in talent, which creates a hole. If they pay him, it will cost an arm and a leg to keep a player who won't perform up to the contract it will take to keep him. I think the latter is worse. You go with the lesser of two evils, let him get overpaid, get a comp pick for him (hopefully) and do your best to replace him in the draft or from what you have on the roster.

[Dodger]

Originally Posted by Verdict

This is a lose/lose situation for the Cowboys. If they let him go, then there will likely be some dropoff in talent, which creates a hole. If they pay him, it will cost an arm and a leg to keep a player who won't perform up to the contract it will take to keep him. I think the latter is worse. You go with the lesser of two evils, let him get overpaid, get a comp pick for him (hopefully) and do your best to replace him in the draft or from what you have on the roster.

Well, if you let him go, I think you almost have to use the first pick next year to replace him, hopefully with someone who can do most of what he already does but also give you more ability in rushing the passer. And they better hit on that pick too, otherwise, yeah, that's going to be a gaping hole all year long.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by CaptainMorgan

youre right, but out of all these young guys which ones are keepers?

On offense besides Smith, who is the future? Murray cant stay healthy, Dez and Miles are just blatantly overrated. Its really not looking good at all.

We can build off the young players we have on defense we just desperately need to improve the line and add depth. Its the offense that is going to likely need to be blown up and started over on. We need to figure out how to pull off another "great train robbery" and stockpile draft picks.

The guys I would consider young stud building blocks.....

Offense - Tyron

Defense - Lee, Carter, Claiborne.

I just can't put Murray in there. He's been too quickly crowned. He's a nice back but with durability issues. Dez is an all world talent, he should be on this list, but he's just not capable mentally.

I'd definitely say our young core needs more work than most are willing to admit. Who is our WR? TE? 4/5ths of the OL? Is Crawford a legit quality DE prospect or do we lack one of those too? Do we have a pass rusher to get excited about in the pipeline? We know we have no NT. Is there a single young S in the building capable of making plays?

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by TVMan

Ware and Spencer have 12 combined sacks thus far. The only "34" with more is Arizona with 15 by three players. So...?

Spencer does his job in Ryan's scheme quite well. We've already seen what happened when he was out.

sorry holmes but that "stat" is one of the weakest arguments i've encountered.

ware plus victor butler have 10 sacks and rate favorably versus many 3-4 backers.

that stat says zero about spencer.

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

The guys I would consider young stud building blocks.....

Offense - Tyron

Defense - Lee, Carter, Claiborne.

I just can't put Murray in there. He's been too quickly crowned. He's a nice back but with durability issues. Dez is an all world talent, he should be on this list, but he's just not capable mentally.

I'd definitely say our young core needs more work than most are willing to admit. Who is our WR? TE? 4/5ths of the OL? Is Crawford a legit quality DE prospect or do we lack one of those too? Do we have a pass rusher to get excited about in the pipeline? We know we have no NT. Is there a single young S in the building capable of making plays?

I think you're right here.

Defense is shaping up nicely. For sure, we have Lee, Carter, Claiborne...We don't know about Crawford yet. I believe he'll, at the least, be a starter at DE. Whether he's the pressure guy or not, we don't know yet. We need to add a good S to be an elite defense.

You're right on about offense. Tyron is our one young building block. Murray hasn't shown enough consistency to be elite. Romo, Witten are crossing the hill of their physical ability. Austin can be elite as a number 2 WR, and I think he's one building block we should keep going forward.

We have next to no talent on the offensive line, inconsistent and oft-injured RBs, one good WR, a chain-moving TE--but not one that stretches the defense or scores TD, and a QB who seems to be on the decline.

I think the draft needs to devote alot of attention to the offensive side of the ball. Because there certainly seems to be a lot of issues on the horizon. We desperately need speed and playmaking ability.

[perrykemp]

Originally Posted by Gaede

You're right on about offense. Tyron is our one young building block. Murray hasn't shown enough consistency to be elite. Romo, Witten are crossing the hill of their physical ability. Austin can be elite as a number 2 WR, and I think he's one building block we should keep going forward.

My gosh, it's almost like everyone on CZ has collectively finally given up on Dez.

There was a point not too long ago where omitting Dez from a list of <future building blocks> would have elicited a 7 page knockdown argument.... these days it doesn't even bare mentioning... nobody really disagrees.... anybody who does has long decided it's not worth arguing about.

Wouldn't it be great that somehow, someway, Dez pull his head out of his you know where and fulfilled his potential?

[TVMan]

Originally Posted by jterrell

sorry holmes but that "stat" is one of the weakest arguments i've encountered.

ware plus victor butler have 10 sacks and rate favorably versus many 3-4 backers.

that stat says zero about spencer.

Black and White Holmes. It is what it is.
He isn't as bad as he is made out to be is the point.

I'm not arguing money, that is obvious.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by TVMan

Black and White Holmes. It is what it is.
He isn't as bad as he is made out to be is the point.

I'm not arguing money, that is obvious.

Yup, what it is, is 3 sacks and very good play as a run stuffer.

Using Ware's stats don't change that at all which was my point.

I agree with you if you mean we could resign him and win with him as a 6m per type player. And I don't think e is at all bad all around at his job.

I just see wayyy over the top nonsense about his rating as a top OLB and that just isn't accurate. We did miss him while he was out certainly but that's probably because we have zero depth at the position to speak of.

[tm1119]

As everyone else has said, it depends on the price. And I really don't want him franchised again. Either keep him or dont. The most I would go is somewhere around 3 years and 21 M with a contract that makes him cuttable if he isnt performing.

Anyone who thinks Spencer doesn't do his job clearly doesnt understand the 3-4 defense very well or what his job as a SOLB entails. Is he the best? No, absolutely not. But he is by no means bad just because he doesn't get a ton of sacks.

[FLcowboy]

Originally Posted by Kristen82

Aren't the strongside LB's primary responsibilities to stop the run and cover the TE? So once the ball is snapped he's basically hovering close behind the line unless he specifically is assigned to go in on a blitz, right? Plus he's always going to be facing an extra blocker on his side with that TE lined up opposite him. Not sure then how you can expect a ton of pressure from the SAM unless you send him in on the blitz a lot. I mean, Ahmad Brooks only has 4 sacks so far. Woodley only has 3.

You are right on, and Spencer does this very well. Franchise players generally earn that moniker.

[BlueStar22]

I'd let him walk...