Jimmy Johnson calls Jerry Jones' G.M. claims a "crock"

[Cowboy_Shawn]

This is pretty much old news.

Jimmy has stated this several times in the past. In fact just a couple of years ago, he was on Dan Patrick's show and stated the same thing. That he had full contractual control over all personnel decisions while he was in Dallas. That included players as well as coaches.

It's why I laugh when the Jerry supporters try to pretend that the Cowboys were successful with Jerry as a GM back in the 90s. He may have carried the GM title, but in those days he was nothing more than a figurehead. Akin to the Queen of England. He had a fancy title but very little power to go with it.

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by Andrei Kostitsyn

You should be ashamed of yourself for pretending not to know EXACTLY what he meant by everything he said.

Unless I missed the point of your post?

The point of my post was that a bunch of what Jimmy said was completely false. If all he meant to say was that he should get all of the credit, then he should have said that. But everything I listed was exactly what he said and was completely false.

Everyone has known for the past two decades that Jimmy deserves most or all of the credit, but that doesn't make it OK for Jimmy to claim that Jerry wasn't the president or GM when he was here or that Jimmy was the personnel director. Winning two Super Bowls doesn't give you a license to flat-out lie.

[Randy White]

had " his way ", Steve Walsh would have been the Cowboys' QB in the early 90's, James Francis a starting OLB, and Emmitt Smith would have worn another uniform.

and speaking of Steve Walsh..

since the " Jenius " is taking all the credit for drafting every single player in that era, then I'd like to hear his explanation of what formula he used to determine that a year earlier Steve Walsh was a better choice for the Cowboys than, oh, Junior Seau ?

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

It was a failure.

Shula had 24 of 26 seasons of .500+ teams before Jimmy came in.

In the 4 years prior to Jimmy, the Dolphins went 39-25 with Shula. In the 4 years with Jimmy, the Dolphins went 38-26.

They also had the largest playoff loss in NFL history.

Then Wannstedt takes over and the team goes 42-31.

And to top it off, Jimmy became a lameduck head coach in Miami, exactly what he was so in fear of with Jerry.

Jimmy essentially took a successful franchise and made it slightly less successful and turned it over to Wannstedt, who was more successful with Jay Fiedler as QB instead of Marino.

Anybody else find it ironic that those who point to our lack of success post-Jimmy find that Jimmy was successful in Miami?

YR

I dunno. 2 playoff wins in a 4 year span doesn't look too bad compared to 2 playoff wins in a 16 year span.

[Mr Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Randy White

had " his way ", Steve Walsh would have been the Cowboys' QB in the early 90's, James Francis a starting OLB, and Emmitt Smith would have worn another uniform.

and speaking of Steve Walsh..

since the " Jenius " is taking all the credit for drafting every single player in that era, then I'd like to hear his explanation of what formula he used to determine that a year earlier Steve Walsh was a better choice for the Cowboys than, oh, Junior Seau ?

Probably to fleece another team by trading Walsh to them for several picks including a 1st. A team like the Saints maybe.

[Dodger12]

Originally Posted by Randy White

had " his way ", Steve Walsh would have been the Cowboys' QB in the early 90's, James Francis a starting OLB, and Emmitt Smith would have worn another uniform.

Who stopped Jimmy from making Walsh the Cowboys starting QB?

[BoysFan4ever]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

I dunno. 2 playoff wins in a 4 year span doesn't look too bad compared to 2 playoff wins in a 16 year span.

Yea I'd take that.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Cowboy_Shawn

This is pretty much old news.

Jimmy has stated this several times in the past. In fact just a couple of years ago, he was on Dan Patrick's show and stated the same thing. That he had full contractual control over all personnel decisions while he was in Dallas. That included players as well as coaches.

It's why I laugh when the Jerry supporters try to pretend that the Cowboys were successful with Jerry as a GM back in the 90s. He may have carried the GM title, but in those days he was nothing more than a figurehead. Akin to the Queen of England. He had a fancy title but very little power to go with it.

And this is exactly what Hos has been saying since day 1 about TITLES in this organization.

The guy responsible for the talent evaluation is Tom Ciskowski.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

Originally Posted by proscout

I was working the draft in Philly in 1998 but the Cowboys did tape the draft meetings that year and I have seen the video. Jerry wanted to pick Moss. Jim Garrett and Walt Yowarsky (scouts) wanted Moss. Chan Gailey and WR Coach Dwain Painter wanted nothing to do with Moss...the video will take your breath away knowning what we know about Moss now...needless to say, we stopped filming the meetings when Parcells came in...

This was Bryan Broaddus' account of what happened in the 1998 draft when he watched the video of the war room as part of his job when he became a scout for the Dallas Cowboys.

For someone that is in charge of all personnel decisions as a GM, Jerry deferred with his Head Coach and WR Coach on the "final say" of not drafting Randy Moss despite wanting to draft him himself.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

And this is exactly what Hos has been saying since day 1 about TITLES in this organization.

The guy responsible for the talent evaluation is Tom Ciskowski.

This organization makes decisions as a group.



This was Bryan Broaddus' account of what happened in the 1998 draft when he watched the video of the war room as part of his job when he became a scout for the Dallas Cowboys.

For someone that is in charge of all personnel decisions as a GM, Jerry deferred with his Head Coach and WR Coach on the "final say" of not drafting Randy Moss despite wanting to draft him himself.

So who's call was it to bring in To?

Trade for RW11?

Trade for Joey Galloway?

??

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

So who's call was it to bring in To?

Trade for RW11?

Trade for Joey Galloway?

??

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

Why do you think this group is 125-126?

[Chocolate Lab]

And the leader and the final decision maker of the group is the old wildcatter Jerry Jones.

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

I just watched a crime show where a group of kids got in a fight with two guys, the two guys were overwhelmed by the group, so much so that one of the two guys died. When the kids were interviewed, none of them felt responsible for the murder and denied any guilt as none of them felt their punches or kicks could have caused the fatality.

No one was at fault but someone died.

Funny how a group dynamic works

[BHendri5]

you know what I do not give a flying rat's *** who did what or who held what title, one could not do it without the other, hell Jerry hired Jimmy.

Jimmy should be grateful that Jerry gave him a chance in the NFL.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

So who's call was it to bring in To?

Trade for RW11?

Trade for Joey Galloway?

??

You can add Quincy Carter to that list.

Just listen to the McMahon interview. He said he makes the final decision regarding personel and that's the way it's always been done.

"I think that, uh, I know the best way to make decisions, and uh, for us, and uh, that's the best way"

What is commonly referred to as a "group decision" around here is basically just Jerry collecting input and going from there. Does anyone think that all the guys with input are 100% on the same page when it comes to player acquisition? We've heard stories of guys climbing on to the table to advocate for a player.

Someone has to make the final call. There are probably some relatively unanimous decisions but there's probably a fair number of contested opinions and when that happens, somebody has to overrule one side or the other.