Jimmy Johnson calls Jerry Jones' G.M. claims a "crock"

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I'm failing to follow your arithmetic.

Wade took over Parcells team in 2007. One with an emerging core of players just entering their prime. Garrett took over Wade's 1-7 team on the fly in 2010. An older roster coming apart at the seams.

You can't possibly believe an offensive coordinator was responsible for the personnel decisions that led to that.

actually, one can believe that.

garrett was instrumental in detailing what players he wanted for the offense including felix jones. we aren't guessing here, he told us that himself.

the big knock on garrett is that he was never really very successful here offensively aside from when t.o. dominated. he was able to push t.o. out (quite likely a very deserved boot to the butt btw) BUT he never truly brought the offense back to life.

romo, witten, miles, felix, free. these guys have been mainstays under garrett. they just haven't all achieved as desired.

again, garrett SHOULD have been hired based on his potential as a long-term head coach. jerry says he was hired as an offensive guru though and that is why people want jerry drug-tested and suspended from the NFL.

i find it very hard to believe jason garrett won't be a very good nfl head coach at some point. i also believe we are not at that point yet.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by 17yearsandcounting

Its so funny to see the Garrett ferretts trumpet their "But..but...but... LANDRY....but....but....but Belichick!"

Uh no. Those are terrible terrible comparisons for reasons stated here.

The Garrett supporters that are dwindling by the week are so desperate in their attempts to defend him they mention him in the same breath with Jimmy and Landry. In their defense of Garrett they'll tell you both Landry and Jimmy started off bad and all he needs is more time. They fail to mention that Landry started off with an expansion team that was regarded as one of the top 10 worst teams in NFL history. Landry didn't even have a draft pick in 1960. He didn't inherit a Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware or a Jason Witten.

Landry had to build the Cowboys from the ground up starting with scraps. It only figured it would take years to make that team competitive. When Jimmy took over the Cowboys in 89 the team was a wreck. It was so bad Jimmy said his Miami Hurricane team could have probably beaten that Cowboys team. Like Landry's first team Jimmy's was rated as one of the top 10 worst teams in NFL history. Jimmy had to do what Landry did build the Cowboys from the ground up.

Garrett took over an established Cowboys team that was picked by many to go to the SB prior to the 2010 season. He was handed a talented team that was lacking, passion, discipline and solid coaching. The same things the team lacked when Garrett took over they still lack 32 games later. The turnovers and penalties that plagued the team when he took over still plague the team. The culture in Dallas hasn't changed since Garrett took over.

[DallasCowpoke]

Originally Posted by jgboys1

“That is completely a bunch of crock,” Johnson said. “Jerry started putting all those titles on himself after I left. He didn’t call himself general manager and president and all that stuff when I was there. He was just the owner.

Haven't scaned this whole thread and it's probably been mentioned but the Cowboys’ media guides from 1989-93 show Jones with the title of president and general manager. But we get your gist Jimmy...it's allll about you!

[kramskoi]

You bet your sweet "assets" it is a crock. Someone needs to have the hammer... be the bad guy... and Johnson was "definitely" that!!!

Garrett will never be that type of coach! He is a mental midget next to Jimmy Johnson!

[kramskoi]

Originally Posted by jterrell

actually, one can believe that.

garrett was instrumental in detailing what players he wanted for the offense including felix jones. we aren't guessing here, he told us that himself.

the big knock on garrett is that he was never really very successful here offensively aside from when t.o. dominated. he was able to push t.o. out (quite likely a very deserved boot to the butt btw) BUT he never truly brought the offense back to life.

romo, witten, miles, felix, free. these guys have been mainstays under garrett. they just haven't all achieved as desired.

again, garrett SHOULD have been hired based on his potential as a long-term head coach. jerry says he was hired as an offensive guru though and that is why people want jerry drug-tested and suspended from the NFL.

i find it very hard to believe jason garrett won't be a very good nfl head coach at some point. i also believe we are not at that point yet.

If Garrett is'nt careful, he will soon go the way of Norv Turner, who was instrumental to the Cowboy's success in the nineties but who has done little as a head coach.

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by rocboy22

OK, so answer one of my extreme scenarios - if Jimmy wanted to trade away all draft picks for a year for some scrub, middle of the road player, Jerry HAD to let it happen???

There is no way you can convince me of this, as it is just not true. Jerry could just fire Jimmy so it didn't happen.

Of course he could've just fired Jimmy. That's ultimately what he did.

Otherwise, you're just arguing semantics. Bottom line is Jerry wasn't there making the final call the same way he is now. And you know it. Now he sits in the cowboys draft room and makes the final call, vs. telling Jimmy to pretend to confer with him when Jimmy was about to make the picks in the early 90s.

And the proof is in the pudding. The Cowboys built one of the greatest rosters in NFL history during Jimmy's time in Dallas, and a few years after Jimmy was gone they were a sub .500 team. Then they went from one of the NFLs worst rosters to one of its best during Parcells 4 years, but have been in steady decline since.

The evidence against Jerry Jones couldn't be any more clear.

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by kramskoi

You bet your sweet "assets" it is a crock. Someone needs to have the hammer... be the bad guy... and Johnson was "definitely" that!!!

Garrett will never be that type of coach! He is a mental midget next to Jimmy Johnson!

I don't think Garrett is a mental midget at all. He just doesn't appear to be perfectly suited to be an NFL head coach right now. Maybe never. Who knows, under the right circumstances (which he'll never have in Dallas), he might become a very good OC and eventual HC like Sean Payton did.

[BoysFan4ever]

Originally Posted by Double Trouble

I don't think Garrett is a mental midget at all. He just doesn't appear to be perfectly suited to be an NFL head coach right now. Maybe never. Who knows, under the right circumstances (which he'll never have in Dallas), he might become a very good OC and eventual HC like Sean Payton did.

Every time you post I lol...the quote you have from Jimmy about Jerry being the walk around coach is just so funny. That is the best description of Jerry ever!

[junk]

Originally Posted by Double Trouble

I don't think Garrett is a mental midget at all. He just doesn't appear to be perfectly suited to be an NFL head coach right now. Maybe never. Who knows, under the right circumstances (which he'll never have in Dallas), he might become a very good OC and eventual HC like Sean Payton did.

This shouldn't be construed as a defense for Garrett. I think he's young and needs more seasoning. I certainly don't think he is doing a good job today and the thing that bothers me the most is that the team is failing to do the simple things that fall directly on the coach.

However, having said that, Payton got his playcalling duties revoked and run out of NY when he was with the Giants. He had to come work with Parcells for awhile before his star was bright enough for a HC'ing gig (Payton also had 18 years of coaching experience before he got the head job)

That, in my opinion, is what Garrett needs more than anything. A few years of apprenticeship under an established coach that has won in this league. Not a Wade Phillips. More time under someone like Saban, Belichick, Payton, Coughlin, Fisher, etc. I think he got promoted too soon without getting all the experience he needs to do the job.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by jterrell

actually, one can believe that.

One could believe that, but one would be wrong. An offensive coordinator doesn't wield that kind of power.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Double Trouble

Of course he could've just fired Jimmy. That's ultimately what he did.

Otherwise, you're just arguing semantics. Bottom line is Jerry wasn't there making the final call the same way he is now. And you know it. Now he sits in the cowboys draft room and makes the final call, vs. telling Jimmy to pretend to confer with him when Jimmy was about to make the picks in the early 90s.

And the proof is in the pudding. The Cowboys built one of the greatest rosters in NFL history during Jimmy's time in Dallas, and a few years after Jimmy was gone they were a sub .500 team. Then they went from one of the NFLs worst rosters to one of its best during Parcells 4 years, but have been in steady decline since.

The evidence against Jerry Jones couldn't be any more clear.

You're the posting equivalent of smelling salts around here, DT.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Double Trouble

Of course he could've just fired Jimmy. That's ultimately what he did.

Jimmy wanted out and came up with a way to get out without being fired.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by KJJ

Jimmy wanted out and came up with a way to get out without being fired.

Jimmy wanted out because he couldn't stand working with Jerry any longer. He saw the writing on the wall.

Otherwise, of course he'd stay for a chance to threepeat and make history. Who wouldn't?

Jerry couldn't wait for him to leave. So they worked it out. Call it whatever you wish, the owner drove the coach out of Dallas prematurely.

[Plankton]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Jimmy wanted out because he couldn't stand working with Jerry any longer. He saw the writing on the wall.

Otherwise, of course he'd stay for a chance to threepeat and make history. Who wouldn't?

Jerry couldn't wait for him to leave. So they worked it out. Call it whatever you wish, the owner drove the coach out of Dallas prematurely.

Being that Johnson got money going out the door, I would call it being fired.

[Bluestang]