Biggest issue

[LatinMind]

Ok the consensus is Jerry is the problem because he picks the players this and that?

BUT, Dallas is 5th in defense and 6th in offense. So clearly he is picking the right players. Theres plenty of talent on this team if the team is statistically getting it done.

But the errors are there. So wouldnt anybody with common sense see that the problem is coaching?

I read the same bull about Jerry handicapping this team because he's failed to get certain players blah blah blah.

If you wanna bag on Jerry and his GM duties wouldnt it make more sense to bag on him for not firing Garrett instead of bagging on him for not putting a product on the field that doesnt have talent.

This team has the players to beat any team in the nfl soundly. But what they dont have is a coach to lead them.

This is my one gripe about Jerry, Keeping Garrett. I love the makeup of this team playerswise.

[BAZ]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

If you wanna bag on Jerry and his GM duties wouldnt it make more sense to bag on him for not firing Garrett instead of bagging on him for not putting a product on the field that doesnt have talent.

Interesting double negative.

[Idgit]

We're not losing because of the HC, directly. We're losing because of the turnovers. And because we've been playing high-level competitors.

It's really not rocket surgery. We just can't turn it over and win. We don't even need to score more points if we can keep from shooting ourselves in the feet.

[Dodger]

Originally Posted by Idgit

We're not losing because of the HC, directly. We're losing because of the turnovers.

Okay, so how do they correct the turnover problem?

[Zimmy Lives]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

Ok the consensus is Jerry is the problem because he picks the players this and that?

BUT, Dallas is 5th in defense and 6th in offense. So clearly he is picking the right players. Theres plenty of talent on this team if the team is statistically getting it done.

But the errors are there. So wouldnt anybody with common sense see that the problem is coaching?

I read the same bull about Jerry handicapping this team because he's failed to get certain players blah blah blah.

If you wanna bag on Jerry and his GM duties wouldnt it make more sense to bag on him for not firing Garrett instead of bagging on him for not putting a product on the field that doesnt have talent.

This team has the players to beat any team in the nfl soundly. But what they dont have is a coach to lead them.

This is my one gripe about Jerry, Keeping Garrett. I love the makeup of this team playerswise.

You are right. There is talent on this team.

Where you are wrong is that they only have a handful of talented players and the rest are just hardworking, average joes who give effort but, in the end, are incapable of making positive game changing plays.

[ABQcowboyJR]

Trickle down effect from the interior oline. Should have let Spencer walk and signed one of the FA OG's last offseason.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Dodger

Okay, so how do they correct the turnover problem?

Man, I wish I knew for sure. Stop throwing to Dez if he can't make his sight adjustments. Develop a WR who'll be in the right place all the time, or move Miles outside to bring Harris or Bailey in. Throw to the TEs more. Or to Murray out of the backfield when he's back. Get Costa back so you have a C who can block to the second level and not be in 3rd and forevers. Stop putting the ball in Felix's hands. Stay out of catchup situations by not turning the ball over so much .

On defense, I have no idea why we don't get more TOs. Better S play, maybe. Our pass rush is pretty good; we've got ILBs who can cover and pickup players coming into the flats. We tip balls. Ware's a sack-fumble machine. I *think* if our O ever gave us a two-score advantage, we'd see a more opportunistic defense, but it's hard to say.

At the end of the day, it does all come back to coaching. I just think it's the sort of problem that's isolated and that a staff *should* be able to iron out by emphasizing it enough, eventually. It's not a baby-with-the-bathwater problem. Fish the turd out of the tub, and the baby might just be ok.

[Chocolate Lab]

Totally agree, LM. Jerry is a problem, no doubt. His focus on all the sideshows is irritating. It's far from the ideal setup.

But some people want to blame him for everything that goes wrong on the field when he isn't causing those problems at all.

Funny how that wasn't true in the Wade years. Like I've said, I bet Jerry misses having a HC that takes all the heat.

[nyc-cowboy]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

Ok the consensus is Jerry is the problem because he picks the players this and that?

BUT, Dallas is 5th in defense and 6th in offense. So clearly he is picking the right players. Theres plenty of talent on this team if the team is statistically getting it done.

But the errors are there. So wouldnt anybody with common sense see that the problem is coaching?

I read the same bull about Jerry handicapping this team because he's failed to get certain players blah blah blah.

If you wanna bag on Jerry and his GM duties wouldnt it make more sense to bag on him for not firing Garrett instead of bagging on him for not putting a product on the field that doesnt have talent.

This team has the players to beat any team in the nfl soundly. But what they dont have is a coach to lead them.

This is my one gripe about Jerry, Keeping Garrett. I love the makeup of this team playerswise.

Can I bag him for both?

[fifaguy]

the team has become far too comfortable with losing, especially close games. both the players and the coaches bear responsibility for this.

[CowboyFan74]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

Ok the consensus is Jerry is the problem because he picks the players this and that?

BUT, Dallas is 5th in defense and 6th in offense. So clearly he is picking the right players. Theres plenty of talent on this team if the team is statistically getting it done.

But the errors are there. So wouldnt anybody with common sense see that the problem is coaching?

I read the same bull about Jerry handicapping this team because he's failed to get certain players blah blah blah.

If you wanna bag on Jerry and his GM duties wouldnt it make more sense to bag on him for not firing Garrett instead of bagging on him for not putting a product on the field that doesnt have talent.

This team has the players to beat any team in the nfl soundly. But what they dont have is a coach to lead them.

This is my one gripe about Jerry, Keeping Garrett. I love the makeup of this team playerswise.

So the coach is supposed to run routes, throw the ball, and catch it? Execution is clearly the issue these guys are vets not rookies...

[alsmith]

Felix has loss two games this year alone, not to think Dez running the wrong routes and the biggest Problem at WR is Otree 85 he has had 2 or 3 balls to bounce off him for INT in key plays, will he ever learn to catch the D ball,,

These players has loss 3-4 games this year, when is the last time a WR made a big play, or a game winning TD catch, and I hate to bring up the missed FG for the win, that one I'm OK with, can't hit them all..

This team could EZ be 6-2 or at worse 5-3 right now, but
One thing that I have learn is that you can't fix stupid and that is the mistakes that these players are making, just stupid mistakes and it's costing them games, it hard to win in the NFL by beating yourself..

[Dodger]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Man, I wish I knew for sure. Stop throwing to Dez if he can't make his sight adjustments. Develop a WR who'll be in the right place all the time, or move Miles outside to bring Harris or Bailey in. Throw to the TEs more. Or to Murray out of the backfield when he's back. Get Costa back so you have a C who can block to the second level and not be in 3rd and forevers. Stop putting the ball in Felix's hands. Stay out of catchup situations by not turning the ball over so much .

On defense, I have no idea why we don't get more TOs. Better S play, maybe. Our pass rush is pretty good; we've got ILBs who can cover and pickup players coming into the flats. We tip balls. Ware's a sack-fumble machine. I *think* if our O ever gave us a two-score advantage, we'd see a more opportunistic defense, but it's hard to say.

[View Full Quote]At the end of the day, it does all come back to coaching. I just think it's the sort of problem that's isolated and that a staff *should* be able to iron out by emphasizing it enough, eventually. It's not a baby-with-the-bathwater problem. Fish the turd out of the tub, and the baby might just be ok.

Okay. Multi-cause problem. I think you're probably right. Most problems are.

I will say this: if the Cowboys could run the ball more effectively, they could probably then pass more effectively. Teams wouldn't just be sitting back playing coverage all day. So we do need to improve the running game, and hopefully if we get Costa and Murray back sometime this year, that will happen.

I do think, though, that the other half of the problem is a coaching issue, and I think I've illustrated my reasoning for that in several other threads.

[Dodger]

Originally Posted by CowboyFan74

So the coach is supposed to run routes, throw the ball, and catch it? Execution is clearly the issue these guys are vets not rookies...

You're right. The players aren't executing. So now what? Should everyone just continue doing what they're doing and hope/wait for the situation to change?

Or, should the coaches DO something about it?

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Dodger

Okay. Multi-cause problem. I think you're probably right. Most problems are.

I will say this: if the Cowboys could run the ball more effectively, they could probably then pass more effectively. Teams wouldn't just be sitting back playing coverage all day. So we do need to improve the running game, and hopefully if we get Costa and Murray back sometime this year, that will happen.

I do think, though, that the other half of the problem is a coaching issue, and I think I've illustrated my reasoning for that in several other threads.

To be clear, this is all on the coach. Turnovers are correctable, and if they're not for a particular player, then the player needs to go. TOs's are too important.

In Garrett's case, I do think he made a point of emphasizing the issue. I know for a fact he did, because the team talked about it all offseason. It didn't work. Part of that is that I think Dez is probably a coach-killer. Part of it is they bet a WR3 would develop and one did not. Most of it, I think, is that we modified the offense to take more advantage of Murray and get Tony in more manageable situations, and it failed. Losing both starting OGs in camp, losing two C's in camp, and then losing Costa for much of the regular season with Murray and Felix taking time getting dinged: there's been zero opportunity for consistency. As a result, we had to lean back on the passing game, only this time with a hole in the lineup and with all the early chaos in the middle of the OL. Add to it that the difficult part of our schedule was comically front-loaded, and you have a team that's pretty good, but just not good enough to beat better teams.

I'll bet we cut down on the TOs here in Nov. And when Murray/Costa are back, we'll get our first glimpse what this offense is really supposed to be. It'll open things up for Romo, and we'll score more because it will be easier to be efficient. It just might be too late if the Giants don't help us by spitting the bit now that their schedule gets tight.