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11-09-2012
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#16
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I totally agree with the OP, yes we've had penalties, turnovers and mistakes but a semi competent coach would've won both the Ravens and Giants games. All of a sudden we are sitting here at 5-3 in first place with a sweep of the Giants.
Coaching matters, I can't for the life of me understand why the Dallas Cowboys can have such a bad coach. Garrett is awful, it seems as if every important decision he makes is the exact opposite of what logic would say you should do. Like last week not challenging the spot on the Beasley catch and then calling a 3rd and 1 run on a jumbo package, a play that has not worked all season.
I understand the people who say continuity is good and that firing coaches every two years is not a good strategy, I agree, but it isn't a good strategy because Jerry hires guys like Campo, Gailey, Wade and Garrett.
This offseason there will be coaches like Cowher, Chucky, Holmgren, probably Reid and Payton, each and every one of those coaches is worth at least 2 more wins over what we have now.
I really don't get how Jerry can underestimate the importance of the coaching position. Just hire a good coach for ***** sake.
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11-09-2012
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#17
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Right now Dallas is on pace to turn the ball over more than they have since 2000.
Right now they are on pace to have more penalties than they have since at least 2003.
Decade highs right now in penalties and turnovers.
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11-09-2012
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#18
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measuring competency of either an offense or defense by yards is a seriously flawed premise to begin with
Look at points on the board. Now where is Dallas ranked?
That is a much more realistic way of looking at things
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11-09-2012
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#19
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My theory on the offense and why it always seems to get a lot of yards and not near enough points over recent years is the head coach knows a little bit about offensive design and the QB can play a little.
But then they get down into the red zone. The field shrinks. The line of scrimmage gets crowded and our weaknesses get exposed.
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We'll settle this with a good dust up.
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11-09-2012
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#20
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Originally Posted by Idgit
We're not losing because of the HC, directly. We're losing because of the turnovers. And because we've been playing high-level competitors.
It's really not rocket surgery. We just can't turn it over and win. We don't even need to score more points if we can keep from shooting ourselves in the feet.
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What is "rocket surgery" anyway?
I agree with the OP, we have the talent, but the same stupid mistakes, the sloppy play, the dumb penalties, the turnovers, etc.. that is coaching. No doubt about it.
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11-09-2012
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#21
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Originally Posted by burmafrd
measuring competency of either an offense or defense by yards is a seriously flawed premise to begin with
Look at points on the board. Now where is Dallas ranked?
That is a much more realistic way of looking at things
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Eh, idk.. i mean there's no doubt in my mind that this team can move the ball down the field when we arn't shooting ourselves in the foot. Just seems to be far too many times where we kill our own drives with dumb penalties, turnovers, sloppy mistakes, etc..
Things that we blamed Wade's coaching for.. even though JG was running the offense then, too. I really do feel that we have the talent, just not the coaching or accountability to succeed.
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11-09-2012
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#22
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Originally Posted by tecolote
I totally agree with the OP, yes we've had penalties, turnovers and mistakes but a semi competent coach would've won both the Ravens and Giants games. All of a sudden we are sitting here at 5-3 in first place with a sweep of the Giants.
Coaching matters, I can't for the life of me understand why the Dallas Cowboys can have such a bad coach. Garrett is awful, it seems as if every important decision he makes is the exact opposite of what logic would say you should do. Like last week not challenging the spot on the Beasley catch and then calling a 3rd and 1 run on a jumbo package, a play that has not worked all season.
I understand the people who say continuity is good and that firing coaches every two years is not a good strategy, I agree, but it isn't a good strategy because Jerry hires guys like Campo, Gailey, Wade and Garrett.
[View Full Quote]This offseason there will be coaches like Cowher, Chucky, Holmgren, probably Reid and Payton, each and every one of those coaches is worth at least 2 more wins over what we have now.
I really don't get how Jerry can underestimate the importance of the coaching position. Just hire a good coach for ***** sake.
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Couldn't agree with you more, this year's team and last year's for that matter would be going to the playoffs year in and year out with some of the coaches you mentioned.
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11-09-2012
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#23
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In order...
-Poor drafting
-Poor trading/personnel moves. Extending players too early for too long for too much.
-Lack of vision for the franchise
-Sub standard coaching
-Poor execution by the players
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11-09-2012
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#24
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Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer
Eh, idk.. i mean there's no doubt in my mind that this team can move the ball down the field when we arn't shooting ourselves in the foot. Just seems to be far too many times where we kill our own drives with dumb penalties, turnovers, sloppy mistakes, etc..
Things that we blamed Wade's coaching for.. even though JG was running the offense then, too. I really do feel that we have the talent, just not the coaching or accountability to succeed.
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I agree. The offense can move the ball when they get out of their own way.
Provided they even do that, there's still another problem.
Redzone offense in terms of % of TDs for all the trips to the redzone.
They're tied with Arizona for 26th this year.
2011: 20th
2010: 9th (Somehow)
2009: 18th
2008: 8th
2007: 15th
Dallas has struggled in the Redzone.
Turning the ball over fewer times will help but if they can't get better at scoring in the Redzone it's still gonna be tough.
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11-09-2012
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#25
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Originally Posted by Hoofbite
I agree. The offense can move the ball when they get out of their own way.
Provided they even do that, there's still another problem.
Redzone offense in terms of % of TDs for all the trips to the redzone.
They're tied with Arizona for 26th this year.
2011: 20th
2010: 9th (Somehow)
2009: 18th
2008: 8th
2007: 15th
Dallas has struggled in the Redzone.
Turning the ball over fewer times will help but if they can't get better at scoring in the Redzone it's still gonna be tough.
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That seems to be another JG problem. Seems like our offense is good every year but struggles in the Red Zone every year, too.
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11-09-2012
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#26
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Messenger to the football Gods
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Idgit
We're not losing because of the HC, directly. We're losing because of the turnovers. And because we've been playing high-level competitors.
It's really not rocket surgery. We just can't turn it over and win. We don't even need to score more points if we can keep from shooting ourselves in the feet.
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In the feet. I see what you did there. Nice analogy.
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11-09-2012
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#27
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Joined: | Mar 2005 |
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Originally Posted by CowboyFan74
So the coach is supposed to run routes, throw the ball, and catch it? Execution is clearly the issue these guys are vets not rookies...
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cant the coach design a system that plays to the players strengths? like denver has done with D Thomas? How is that working out? Like the viklings did for Randy Moss? Like NE has done for Wrs like all their average WRs aside from Welker. And welker himself wasnt anything special before NE.
Garretts system isnt good for Romo.
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11-09-2012
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#28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by burmafrd
measuring competency of either an offense or defense by yards is a seriously flawed premise to begin with
Look at points on the board. Now where is Dallas ranked?
That is a much more realistic way of looking at things
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Well if you want to get realistic, Just look at the way Garrett plays the redzone with his play calling. Thanks for bringing up another good point about garrett being a bad coach.
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11-09-2012
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#29
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The main point im trying to make about Jerry is the guy embarrasses himself enough with stupid antics and interviews. Has in the past embarrassed himself with football decisions. But not now. This is a good young deep team. Look at the injuries theyve had and none have really crippled the team. When Lee went down everybody swore the defense was crumble. Theyre playing very good.
At this moment in time Jerry has given Garrett everything he's needed to produce a winner. The OL was a mess because of injuries and its better. Still has a big missing piece but its better. The OL could be better but you cant fix everything in a offseason. Some of you need to put away ur madden games and realise the salary cap is real.
Jerry is a GM. He's not the best Gm in the NFL but nowhere is he the worst.
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11-09-2012
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#30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Idgit
We're not losing because of the HC, directly
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