Staubach: Too much for Jerry Jones

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Originally Posted by fairviewfarmer

I agree, but I doubt if things really change(and this is morbid) until Jerry passes away....

How Jerry is remembered should motivate any HEALTHY EGO to turn the Cowboys over to football professionals, just like he delegated drilling/exploration duties as an oilman.

How can anyone truly be egotistical when he is bent on keeping a once great team from ever being a champion again from mismangement? I truly don't understand this hard-core insanity.

[silver]

Originally Posted by Idgit

I'm not sure Roger said what everybody here seems to think he said. He said Jerry's doing too much, not that he needs to be removed or that he's done more damage to the Cowboys than any rival ever has. Again, I'm not particularly a Jerry supporter; there's just something in me that hates to see an emotional overreaction aimed at anybody.

By the way, Roger also had this to say:



So...you know, put that in your true-fan pipe, and smoke it.

let me correct my first reply to this thread:

Originally Posted by silver

Idgit read the article and went into "there's a chance" mode.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Mash

I wonder how Roger knows how much Jerry delegates?

Is this again all from reading media reports? Let me guess.....Rodger has some great friends still on the team.......after how many years being retired?

Once again ....its a opinion from a former player looking in....probably reading the same mediot crap we have for years.

I love how former players state a opinion when they have no real proof on how much Jerry delegates or not. I dont think Rodger has ever been in Jerry meetings with coaches and scouts.....or in a war room during the draft...etc...

The hate for Jerry is just too funny......must be jump on Jerry week.......Next week...Romo?

Sure, I'm sure he has no contact at all with any one associated with HIS former team that he obviously has huge feelings for. He's just a run of the mill fan I guess.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Plankton

The tickets are already paid for. The seats may not be occupied, but the seats have already been bought.

That's true but paid for or not empty seats will eat at Jerry because it will be discussed every where.

[Mash]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

Sure, I'm sure he has no contact at all with any one associated with HIS former team that he obviously has huge feelings for. He's just a run of the mill fan I guess.

His is not a run of the mill fan....and he does probably know Jerry his family pretty well.....

But like he said.....he is a fan .....

My question is.....looking in.....how does he know? I can assume he has never been into a meeting or a war room. He visits and leaves.....he is a fan with access to watching them practice and play.

IMHO nothing more.

He probably thinks Jerry is up there in his office....picking players out of a hat ...like alot of people here think.......when in fact....Jerry just listens to his coaches ...and scouts....and people around him.....its a collective decision....always has been but I really dont think alot of people accept that.

Jerry has the title of GM.....but making player personnel decisions.....alot of people are involved.

What I find funny......is we hear stuff from former players....all over the league....all of them.....looking in from afar....and having a opinion.......and then we eat it up thinking its gospel.

When in reality....there are some here as fans that know more about what goes on in Dallas or other teams then former players do.

I love Rodger.....he cares about this team still. But Im not going to eat up what he says as the truth....its a opinion.....Like we all have here.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Mash

His is not a run of the mill fan....and he does probably know Jerry his family pretty well.....

But like he said.....he is a fan .....

My question is.....looking in.....how does he know? I can assume he has never been into a meeting or a war room. He visits and leaves.....he is a fan with access to watching them practice and play.

IMHO nothing more.

He probably thinks Jerry is up there in his office....picking players out of a hat ...like alot of people here think.......when in fact....Jerry just listens to his coaches ...and scouts....and people around him.....its a collective decision....always has been but I really dont think alot of people accept that.

Jerry has the title of GM.....but making player personnel decisions.....alot of people are involved.

[View Full Quote]What I find funny......is we hear stuff from former players....all over the league....all of them.....looking in from afar....and having a opinion.......and then we eat it up thinking its gospel.

When in reality....there are some here as fans that know more about what goes on in Dallas or other teams then former players do.

I love Rodger.....he cares about this team still. But Im not going to eat up what he says as the truth....its a opinion.....Like we all have here.

What's also funny is as time passes, more and more people that used to be associated with the team are speaking out. It's only going to get worse.
Bottom line is Jerry is at the top of the pyramid, he's responsible for every thing below him. Either he's just that unlucky or the rest of the pyramid has to many cracks.

[Mash]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

What's also funny is as time passes, more and more people that used to be associated with the team are speaking out. It's only going to get worse.
Bottom line is Jerry is at the top of the pyramid, he's responsible for every thing below him. Either he's just that unlucky or the rest of the pyramid has to many cracks.

The top of the pyramid wont change......will always be a Jones there....at least for my lifetime......

So it doesnt bother me much

Team is heading in right direction imho......we need to learn to win...I wish JG would let his OC duties go....just so he can concentrate on being a better HC and game manager.

All in all.....this team could be 5-3 and we wouldnt hear all these bash Jerry threads....Romo sucks.....JG has to go....

IMHO we are close.....

[Plankton]

Originally Posted by Mash

The top of the pyramid wont change......will always be a Jones there....at least for my lifetime......

So it doesnt bother me much

Team is heading in right direction imho......we need to learn to win...I wish JG would let his OC duties go....just so he can concentrate on being a better HC and game manager.

All in all.....this team could be 5-3 and we wouldnt hear all these bash Jerry threads....Romo sucks.....JG has to go....

IMHO we are close.....

What have you seen this year that would indicate that the Cowboys are close and heading in the right direction? The penalties? Red zone inefficiency? Players not knowing their responsibilities down to down? An inability to create turnovers, but a great ability to give the ball away on offense? Special teams meltdowns week after week?

To me, there is nothing that I have seen from this team this year that would indicate that they are on an upward tick. Quite the opposite.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Plankton

What have you seen this year that would indicate that the Cowboys are close and heading in the right direction? The penalties? Red zone inefficiency? Players not knowing their responsibilities down to down? An inability to create turnovers, but a great ability to give the ball away on offense? Special teams meltdowns week after week?

To me, there is nothing that I have seen from this team this year that would indicate that they are on an upward tick. Quite the opposite.

There's people that have the coach they want in place. No matter how bad he is, we are headed in the right direction. We drafted better, all I can see.
But that isn't on JG alone because every one at VR has a say, then Jerry waits for the out come of said say and gets what the group wants.

Then unicorns fly around the room sprinkling magic dust on the group.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by silver

let me correct my first reply to this thread:

I'm in 'there's a chance' mode when there's....wait for it....a chance. When there's not, I go into 'there's not a chance anymore' mode.

I learned along the way there's no prize for giving up too early. Some people do it b/c it helps them insulate themselves from disappointment better, but that's always seemed silly to me. I prefer to try to figure out what's getting us beat and to speculate on how we might change it and improve the team. To each, his own.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

There's people that have the coach they want in place. No matter how bad he is, we are headed in the right direction. We drafted better, all I can see.
But that isn't on JG alone because every one at VR has a say, then Jerry waits for the out come of said say and gets what the group wants.

Then unicorns fly around the room sprinkling magic dust on the group.

What's the point of calling out this entire group? Does it really matter so much that I, for example, think it'd be a huge mistake to fire JG? Or that I think the team loses because it can't protect the football instead of because everything sucks?

And why does it take unicorn dust to explain why some fans think we're losing for one reason, and another group thinks we're losing for a different one? It's not like the unicorn-dust people think our record is actually, say, 5-3 right now. They see there are issues, same as you do. They just think the solutions are probably different than you seem to think they are.

[Joe Realist]

Hogwash.. What does Staubach know anyway.. He does not have the sources that others have on this board..I trust them.......................

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Idgit

What's the point of calling out this entire group? Does it really matter so much that I, for example, think it'd be a huge mistake to fire JG? Or that I think the team loses because it can't protect the football instead of because everything sucks?

And why does it take unicorn dust to explain why some fans think we're losing for one reason, and another group thinks we're losing for a different one? It's not like the unicorn-dust people think our record is actually, say, 5-3 right now. They see there are issues, same as you do. They just think the solutions are probably different than you seem to think they are.

The group I'm calling out is Jerry's scouts, talent evaluators and coaches.
They deserve as much blame as he does according to the structure you say it is. No?

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by Idgit

I'm in 'there's a chance' mode when there's....wait for it....a chance. When there's not, I go into 'there's not a chance anymore' mode.

I learned along the way there's no prize for giving up too early. Some people do it b/c it helps them insulate themselves from disappointment better, but that's always seemed silly to me. I prefer to try to figure out what's getting us beat and to speculate on how we might change it and improve the team. To each, his own.

This is where I am going to plant my anchor in this discussion.

You paint with a broad brush and then offer it as fact.

I look at the team EVERY year and do plus minus and come to a conclusion on what I think the team can achieve.

Not for this mythical insulation or as Fuzzy likes to say, cowardice.

I suspect every fans does this. Or else how do you derive your season prediction of 10-6?

Just the thread where the actual season schedule comes out turns into a prediction thread after a half dozen posts. So somebody is looking at the team and making assessments.

What truly makes me laugh, and I mean this literally, is that the side of the fence that MUST have it positive ignores when the other side calls it in July and it comes to pass throughout the season.

It isn't luck people here say 6-10 and it comes to fruition.

But there has to be a trick. This insulation thing must be the answer instead of those who are critical of areas about the team actually might understand the team and the assessment wasn't luck at all. That perhaps they take off the homer goggles and look at the team if it were another team instead of the one they love.

Some have the ability to dispassionately look at the team and "do the math" and make educated guesses. They don't look at the high water mark for every player, then project what happened in previous years when that player was at his best and then use that paradigm throughout the assessment.

They look at squads, and the components, and factor in a bit of history and how age, injury and the lot factor in.

I still scream on game day when things go wrong. I still have expectations on game day that the team can beat the other team. Because I am a fan and want Dallas to win.

But I also have an intellect and use it when looking at this team and others. And when I see comments about insulation or cowardice it makes me think this is motivated by denial.

Because Lord forbid idgit, that I was right.

This isn't an I told you so response.

It is simply a comment that not all people operate or think in the narrow minded way you believe they do. And it's rather insulting that you generalize about others and how they think.

[tyke1doe]

Originally Posted by fortdick

Sure he has a choice. It is his team. To think we can tell him what to do is naive.

Yep. He owns this team, and he's not going to let anyone tell him what to do.

We need to face reality. We're stuck with Jones as long as he's living. (And, no, I'm not wishing an early departure for him. I love football, but not the point I want to see Jones die for us to get better.) So we have to adjust our expectations accordingly.