For a Non-Football Guy, Jerry Has Done Okay

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

That's a great point. As bad as he is in Dallas, he'd be even worse running a team without the pull the Cowboys have with players. He can pretty much go out and get any FA he wants because for some reason the Cowboys are still regarded as the big stage of the NFL.

Jerry the Bengals GM would be historically bad.

He's be the perfect fit for the Bengals as GM tho. Then you'd have a GM and HC that are mediocre at best year after year and both have been able to keep their jobs year after year. Perfect combo!

[Venger]

Jerry is terrible. He is so terrible that he admits he should be fired from his GM role, but he is so terrible at his ownership role that he won't do it. I despise this clown with every fiber of my being. He is the clown who killed the golden goose. He has eaten the seed corn. He has done what 31 other NFL teams couldn't do - reduced this franchise to being an also ran.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I knew someone would bring up Parcells, so I didnt mention him.

Seriously tho, what did Parcells win here in Dallas? I was happy when he came here. But when you look at his track record he had less stellar results at each of his next stops. In NY he won 2 SB's for the Giants. In NE got to the SB but lost. NY Jets, got to the Conf Championship game and lost. Dallas, got to the playoffs. Miami = maybe not a disaster, but nothing.

Did Parcells stock pile the talent on the roster? Some like to make that plea.

The reality is Wade Phillips has been the most successful coach in Dallas since the glory 90's. Say it was Parcell's team if you want, but Wade was in the picture when it actually happened.



Bottom line is we have been bad for a long time. Jerruh deserves the blame. But for all who say he is an idiot, clown, delusional, moron, stupid, etc., he has got a .500 team doing it. An idiot and a moron couldn't do .500. A guy that isnt very good at what he is doing as a GM can, and has. And for that there is no defense. Its time for him to make a real change.

[Rack Bauer]

They need to make an "epic rap battles of history" between Jimmy and Jerry.

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by 38 Special

Jerry the GM has advantages most GMs wish they had. He has access to enough cash to offer the biggest signing bonuses allowing him maximum cap flexibility when dealing with the cap and giving a clear edge when competing for free agents. A lot of players grew up Cowboys fans, providing him another advantage when competing for free agents.

I'd say .500 with the natural advantages that he has enjoyed is pretty sorry.

Excellent point.

Teams like the Lions, Browns and Cardinals don't have the $$$ to spend the way Jones has.

Were Jones as financially constrained as some other organizations are (at least in comparison to the NFL's big market teams), the record in Dallas wouldn't even be sniffing .500.

Jerry's homer fans don't realize that (or more likely, have set their feet in stone on this matter, and will never admit how idiotic their defense of him has been).

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

I knew someone would bring up Parcells, so I didnt mention him.

Seriously tho, what did Parcells win here in Dallas? I was happy when he came here. But when you look at his track record he had less stellar results at each of his next stops. In NY he won 2 SB's for the Giants. In NE got to the SB but lost. NY Jets, got to the Conf Championship game and lost. Dallas, got to the playoffs. Miami = maybe not a disaster, but nothing.

Did Parcells stock pile the talent on the roster? Some like to make that plea.

The reality is Wade Phillips has been the most successful coach in Dallas since the glory 90's. Say it was Parcell's team if you want, but Wade was in the picture when it actually happened.



[View Full Quote]Bottom line is we have been bad for a long time. Jerruh deserves the blame. But for all who say he is an idiot, clown, delusional, moron, stupid, etc., he has got a .500 team doing it. An idiot and a moron couldn't do .500. A guy that isnt very good at what he is doing as a GM can, and has. And for that there is no defense. Its time for him to make a real change.

I think the game - or more to the point, the players - had passed Parcells by.

But it is undeniable that the Cowboys roster was awful when Jones hired Parcells, and the Cowboys had one of the League's best young rosters when Parcells left. That isn't coincidence.

[Plankton]

Originally Posted by Flinger

It is really time to stop saying Jerry isn't a football guy. Sorry RS...

He played for Arkansas and he has been the GM and Owner of the Cowboys for 23 years...

Many people on this board haven't even lived 23 years...

He is a football guy. So is his son, although he didn't play college level (that I am aware of).

They just aren't GOOD football guys...

And, they own it.

I agree, with one clarification.

They own the results, but run from the accountability.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

I knew someone would bring up Parcells, so I didnt mention him.

Seriously tho, what did Parcells win here in Dallas? I was happy when he came here. But when you look at his track record he had less stellar results at each of his next stops. In NY he won 2 SB's for the Giants. In NE got to the SB but lost. NY Jets, got to the Conf Championship game and lost. Dallas, got to the playoffs. Miami = maybe not a disaster, but nothing.

Did Parcells stock pile the talent on the roster? Some like to make that plea.

The reality is Wade Phillips has been the most successful coach in Dallas since the glory 90's. Say it was Parcell's team if you want, but Wade was in the picture when it actually happened.



[View Full Quote]Bottom line is we have been bad for a long time. Jerruh deserves the blame. But for all who say he is an idiot, clown, delusional, moron, stupid, etc., he has got a .500 team doing it. An idiot and a moron couldn't do .500. A guy that isnt very good at what he is doing as a GM can, and has. And for that there is no defense. Its time for him to make a real change.

Of course somebody would mention Parcells.

He came in and completely revamped the roster and scouting department. He immediately turned the direction of the team around. When he left, he left behind an emerging core of players who could be competitive in the league. A core good enough to bring a weak head coach like Wade Phillips his first postseason victory.

None of that happens if Jerry continues to run the team unchecked. He is not capable of building anything but a league laughing stock. He's proven it over and over again over the years. Some of the poor GMs know what they need but they can't find it. They just miss on players. Jerry doesn't even know what he needs. He just wings it in reactionary fashion every year without a hint of any sound philosophy behind it. Then to make matters worse, his top assistant in the personnel department, the guy who has his ear and you would hope could at least point him in the right direction, is another fraud suit that has the gig through nepotism.

So forgive me if I don't give Jerry much credit for being .500ish over the years. The truth is he's about a 5-11 lifetime GM whose had his numbers inflated by first taking over a dynasty team and then having the good sense of bringing in Bill Parcells for a few years.

And only a moron destroys a dynasty and even an idiot knows Bill Parcells can come in to clean up your mess and make you competitive again.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by Flinger

It is really time to stop saying Jerry isn't a football guy. Sorry RS...

He played for Arkansas and he has been the GM and Owner of the Cowboys for 23 years...

Many people on this board haven't even lived 23 years...

He is a football guy. So is his son, although he didn't play college level (that I am aware of).

They just aren't GOOD football guys...

And, they own it.

I can spend twenty plus years working for a hospital and hanging out with surgeons while they cut people open.

Would you trust me to take your appendix out?

[Diogenes]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Jerry the Bengals GM

That made me smile.

[visionary]

most "objective" fans are being kind

he is worse than the worst that has been said about his lack of football intellect

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Plankton

I agree, with one clarification.

They own the results, but run from the accountability.

they dont own the results

they say, it was a decision by general agreement

ie everyone is responsible

translation: no one is responsible

spread the blame

[Plankton]

Originally Posted by visionary

they dont own the results

they say, it was a decision by general agreement

ie everyone is responsible

translation: no one is responsible

spread the blame

That's where they run from the accountability for the results.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Of course somebody would mention Parcells.

He came in and completely revamped the roster and scouting department. He immediately turned the direction of the team around. When he left, he left behind an emerging core of players who could be competitive in the league. A core good enough to bring a weak head coach like Wade Phillips his first postseason victory.

[View Full Quote]None of that happens if Jerry continues to run the team unchecked. He is not capable of building anything but a league laughing stock. He's proven it over and over again over the years. Some of the poor GMs know what they need but they can't find it. They just miss on players. Jerry doesn't even know what he needs. He just wings it in reactionary fashion every year without a hint of any sound philosophy behind it. Then to make matters worse, his top assistant in the personnel department, the guy who has his ear and you would hope could at least point him in the right direction, is another fraud suit that has the gig through nepotism.

So forgive me if I don't give Jerry much credit for being .500ish over the years. The truth is he's about a 5-11 lifetime GM whose had his numbers inflated by first taking over a dynasty team and then having the good sense of bringing in Bill Parcells for a few years.

And only a moron destroys a dynasty and even an idiot knows Bill Parcells can come in to clean up your mess and make you competitive again.

While I generally agree with your sentiment I look at the fact that Jimmy and Parcells both went to the Dolphins after they left Dallas and both had less than stellar success working for an owner that gave them all they wanted and asked for.

So both built good rosters in Dallas working with Jerruh the clown, and both basically flopped in Miami where they had the say and ran the football show.

Its not that I think Jerruh should be his own GM or anything close to it. The results are evident. But, how could these 2 guys who did a great job in Dallas in spite of Jerruh both flop in Miami with the exact opposite of Jerruh for an owner?

IMO, certain combinations work while others dont. The fact is, when Jimmy and Bill had free reign in Miami neither produced a winner. But did much better in Dallas with Jerruh. Now how can that be?

[Kilyin]

For a non-football guy? Sure, he's done great. He's a great oil man, and a great business man, with billions of dollars to prove it. That doesn't change the fact he's run the Dallas Cowboys into the ground and then some. I don't care if we're one of the most valued franchises in sports, with a billion dollar stadium. That means absolutely nothing to me, as a fan. I want wins, and Jerry can't buy those, and apparently he can't seem to find the right personnel or executives to surround himself with that will get him those wins. So in my book, he's a failure. Jimmy was lightning in a bottle.