Staubach: Too much for Jerry Jones

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

This is where I am going to plant my anchor in this discussion.

You paint with a broad brush and then offer it as fact.

I look at the team EVERY year and do plus minus and come to a conclusion on what I think the team can achieve.

Not for this mythical insulation or as Fuzzy likes to say, cowardice.

I suspect every fans does this. Or else how do you derive your season prediction of 10-6?

Just the thread where the actual season schedule comes out turns into a prediction thread after a half dozen posts. So somebody is looking at the team and making assessments.

What truly makes me laugh, and I mean this literally, is that the side of the fence that MUST have it positive ignores when the other side calls it in July and it comes to pass throughout the season.

Here's where that argument always falls down. There's not a 'side' of the fence that must have it positive. Or maybe there is, but it's just CrazyCowboy sitting there all by himself. Not much of a 'side.'

I'm about as optimistic a poster as we've got here. I'm still getting regularly called a Sunshine Pumper and told to put down my koolaid. But I've been openly critical of the team in a number of areas. Mostly turnovers, but our RT play, our short yardage running game, our red zone offense and red zone offensive play calling, our interior line run blocking, JG's time management, WR drops, etc. The difference is, I'm also willing to debate anyone who says something critical of the team that can't be substantiated. Romo needs to be benched. Our pass blocking is atrocious. Our problems on offense are mostly related to play calling. Our GM is the reason why we're not winning some of these games this season.

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

It isn't luck people here say 6-10 and it comes to fruition.

But there has to be a trick. This insulation thing must be the answer instead of those who are critical of areas about the team actually might understand the team and the assessment wasn't luck at all. That perhaps they take off the homer goggles and look at the team if it were another team instead of the one they love.

Some have the ability to dispassionately look at the team and "do the math" and make educated guesses. They don't look at the high water mark for every player, then project what happened in previous years when that player was at his best and then use that paradigm throughout the assessment.

They look at squads, and the components, and factor in a bit of history and how age, injury and the lot factor in.

[View Full Quote]I still scream on game day when things go wrong. I still have expectations on game day that the team can beat the other team. Because I am a fan and want Dallas to win.

But I also have an intellect and use it when looking at this team and others. And when I see comments about insulation or cowardice it makes me think this is motivated by denial.

It's not luck. It's coincidence. When I see people making predictions about our record, and then being right for the right reasons, I'll agree it's just good observation. But I was here for those predictions. I know what they were based off of. The complaining in the offseason was about not spending ridiculous money in FA on OGs. It was about not addressing C (even though we ultimately did). It was about wasting resources on CB that could have been spent on OL. It was about spending money on Anthony Spencer, and about us not having an adequate pass rush.

None of those things turned out to be our problems. We're losing games because of offensive turnovers, and because we're not taking the ball away on defense. The people angry about Costa, in a small sample, look to have been dead wrong. The people complaining about Spencer got a chance to see how wrong they were on that count, too. As I said, what's beat us is turnovers because our WRs and our QB can't seem to get on the same page. Or drops at inopportune times. These weren't topics I remember coming up when you looked at the squad and the components, and factored in a bit of history and how age, injury, or whatever was likely to affect us.

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

Because Lord forbid idgit, that I was right.

This isn't an I told you so response.

It is simply a comment that not all people operate or think in the narrow minded way you believe they do. And it's rather insulting that you generalize about others and how they think.

TwoDeep, I don't have any problem with you being right, if that ever happens. And I don't have any problem with you ending up on the right side of a prediction for completely unrelated reasons, if that's what ends up happening.

And I'm not insulting everyone who happens to have or to have had a negative prognosis about this team when I say that some fans like to protect themselves by giving up. Believe it or not, there are a lot of fans in that negative camp right now.

I'm specifically talking about the negativity of fans who see a disappointing season for Dallas, and leap to the conclusion that we don't have a chance against an equally disappointing Philly team. If, as you suggest, they're using their intellect when they look at this team and others, then they'd probably recognize that. If they don't, then I conclude they're using something other than their intellect when they decide there is no chance to win this weekend. If you choose to be insulted by that, you're probably looking at the available data and arriving at the wrong conclusion again, but I won't belabor that point for fear of being accused of generalizing about others and how they think. How's that for being conciliatory?

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Originally Posted by tyke1doe

Yep. He owns this team, and he's not going to let anyone tell him what to do.

We need to face reality. We're stuck with Jones as long as he's living. (And, no, I'm not wishing an early departure for him. I love football, but not the point I want to see Jones die for us to get better.) So we have to adjust our expectations accordingly.

Look at (best Brooklyn voice) da Raiders

A quarter century ago, they were .800, tied for most Super Bowls, had one of the biggest followings in sports.

Are the Raiders among the most followed teams now?


This is the destiny of the Cowboys since Jones is bent on doing like Al Davis.

I dare a significant number of Cowboys fans will spend less time and money or even follow other teams on this present course....if the Boys tank and the Texans are in the Super Bowl, expect to see their jerseys and logos a lot more in D/FW.

[silver]

Originally Posted by Idgit

I'm in 'there's a chance' mode when there's....wait for it....a chance. When there's not, I go into 'there's not a chance anymore' mode.

I learned along the way there's no prize for giving up too early. Some people do it b/c it helps them insulate themselves from disappointment better, but that's always seemed silly to me. I prefer to try to figure out what's getting us beat and to speculate on how we might change it and improve the team. To each, his own.

and I respect that. it was in jest. enjoy the game tomorrow, I know I'll be rooting for my cowboys. have a good one

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Plankton

No doubt. But, the hit in his pocketbook won't be as much since the tickets are already paid for.

Booing on national TV is another story.

The tickets are paid for but that's only a fraction of what it costs to go to a game.

Parking

Concessions

Merchandise

The tickets are paid for but the employees are already scheduled and the power bill will be exactly what it is no matter what.

Something tells me 30K in people not buying stuff and paying for parking would be a very noticeable hit.

[5Stars]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

The tickets are paid for but that's only a fraction of what it costs to go to a game.

Parking

Concessions

Merchandise

The tickets are paid for but the employees are already scheduled and the power bill will be exactly what it is no matter what.

Something tells me 30K in people not buying stuff and paying for parking would be a very noticeable hit.

Dude, give it up! There is no way in hell that 30K people are not going to a Cowboy game after they have paid top money for their seats.

Tilting at Windmills...

[Hagman]

Originally Posted by 5Stars

Dude, give it up! There is no way in hell that 30K people are not going to a Cowboy game after they have paid top money for their seats.

Tilting at Windmills...

But, they will go up for sale and fans from other teams will pick them up. Their money is just as green. Cha Ching! Jerry still wins.

[5Stars]

Originally Posted by Hagman

But, they will go up for sale and fans from other teams will pick them up. Their money is just as green. Cha Ching! Jerry still wins.

Exactly! That's why it is so stupid to even discuss getting Jerry out of the picture. IMO, I don't really think Jerry is the sole reason, but he does contribute to the failure of the Cowboys. But, these posts over and over and over again by the same posters is nothing more but a grain of sand on the beach. Like I said, all they are doing is trying to pee up a tree.

Comical at least.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by 5Stars

Dude, give it up! There is no way in hell that 30K people are not going to a Cowboy game after they have paid top money for their seats.

Tilting at Windmills...

Give what up? That was my first post in this thread.

I was simply pointing out that ticket sales only account for a part of the overall picture.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Give what up? That was my first post in this thread.

I was simply pointing out that ticket sales only account for a part of the overall picture.

And it makes sense. Let's use the Bears game as an example. The bears fans might have occupied seats but weren't buying Cowboys gear I wouldn't think.

[CowboysYanksLakers]

Jerry Jones is the GM just got the stamp of disapproval from the legend himself Rodger the Dodger!

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

And it makes sense. Let's use the Bears game as an example. The bears fans might have occupied seats but weren't buying Cowboys gear I wouldn't think.

Probably not.

Ticket revenues are shared. I don't believe pro shop revenues are.

[Hagman]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

And it makes sense. Let's use the Bears game as an example. The bears fans might have occupied seats but weren't buying Cowboys gear I wouldn't think.

They were paying to park, eat overpriced food and drink overpriced drinks. Granted, the didn't buy a lot of Cowboy gear, but can't you buy some gear from other teams in the stadium along with other souveneirs?

If significant numbers of Cowboys fans vacated for those of other teams, Jerry would sell their merchandise in a blink.

And everyone don't forget to stop at the Victoria's Secret store on you way out of the stadium.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Hagman

They were paying to park, eat overpriced food and drink overpriced drinks. Granted, the didn't buy a lot of Cowboy gear, but can't you buy some gear from other teams in the stadium along with other souveneirs?

If significant numbers of Cowboys fans vacated for those of other teams, Jerry would sell their merchandise in a blink.

And everyone don't forget to stop at the Victoria's Secret store on you way out of the stadium.

Do they sell other teams products in the stadium?

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by DBOY3141

Now who is going to disagree with Roger?

I did when he claimed Quincy Carter was a good QB who had a bright future. I love Roger he's my all time favorite Cowboys player but he's one of the biggest homers there is. He claimed Garrett is going to be a heckuva NFL head coach.

[theebs]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

Do they sell other teams products in the stadium?

No.

Unless u mean Nike, Victoria's Secret, dunkin donuts, various wines, kids toys etc.

No other teams yet though.

But give the jones family time, if there is money in it sooner or later they will be a part of selling it.

I mean you know had we sold mike Vick jerseys in the pro shop I am sure tashard choice would have bought a few for his newborn and unborn family members.

So really the jones family is missing out by not selling other teams stuff. Another season or two with everything as it currently is and it might be the only thing selling.