What were Aikman, Buck and Pereria talking about on the Dez TD?

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Agree with theo. I thought by today's sometimes goofy rules that would be overturned.

But there was a PI at about the 2 or 3, so I thought we'd have gotten the TD even if that had been ruled a no-catch.

That's a huge assumption considering our red zone woes.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SultanOfSix

Yes it is. That's the rules. If the receiver has clear possession and it touches the ground it's still ruled a catch.

The ball disputably "rolling" a quarter the length of the football doesn't rule out possession. It's at most inconclusive.

He must maintain control as it hits the ground. If it moves it's incomplete.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by fifaguy

i thought it could go either way and was (very pleasantly) surprised that we got the (non-) call this time.

This. I'm so used to any thing close going against the Boys I was very happy he scored.

[jayhouston12]

i'm surprised they called it a catch, really. Cowboys usally don't get those kinds of breaks

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

Are you crazy? ENJOY some thing around here? I'm hard on Dez as far as I think if he actually studied I think he could be a great. But I'm willing to let the kid have his moments to. Ruled a catch, in the books as a catch.
He has 6 more points in his career, why isn't that ok around here?

Everybody's okay with it but that doesn't mean we have to think it was the right call.

[HoustonFrog]

Sorry but I have to go with Aikman and them. It should have been overturned and I was expecting it. The initial catch was fine and his forearm got under it but it clearly rolled out and hit turf after landing thus negating the control aspect of the catch. We got lucky there. Of course there was a PI call. Just being honest, doesn't mean I disliked getting a TD.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by theogt

This is the point at which the ball is rolling between Bryant's body and the ground. Of course it's touching the ground. How can anyone say it didn't touch the ground? Hell the ball is on the ground and Bryant doesn't even have a hand on it.

It's a cacth imo. His arm was under the ball the entire time. The ball wasn't going anywhere.

I didn't think for 1 second it wasn't a catch and was shocked to hear the announcers think it wasn't a catch.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

He must maintain control as it hits the ground. If it moves it's incomplete.

His arm is under it the entire time though.

[SultanOfSix]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

He must maintain control as it hits the ground. If it moves it's incomplete.

No it's not if "it moves". The ball is always moving. One could argue that the illusion of maintaining possession before the ball hits the ground is actually helped by the ground in certain instances by trapping the ball in the receivers hands, so the rule is rather dubious in the first place.

[Jenky]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

His arm is under it the entire time though.

To me, it looks like he caught the ball with his forearm and as he hits the ground, the ball moves upwards along his forearm while making contact with the ground. So yes, his forearm is still touching the ball, but it's also now touching the ground. That's incomplete IMO.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

His arm is under it the entire time though.

But it still makes contact with the turf and moves.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Everybody's okay with it but that doesn't mean we have to think it was the right call.

Of Course not, but it doesn't seem everybodys ok with it to me.
I, like you am a huge critic of this team. But I'm way more concerned about the dumb penalties and putrid O line than any call that wasn't over turned.

I'm not big on Dez at all but I'm glad his determination payed off on that play.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SultanOfSix

No it's not if "it moves". The ball is always moving. One could argue that the illusion of maintaining possession before the ball hits the ground is actually helped by the ground in certain instances by trapping the ball in the receivers hands, so the rule is rather dubious in the first place.

I would say you don't understand the new rule then. Movement is definitely the key because it means you didn't maintain possession as you went to the ground.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by 4lifecowboy

not true his right arm still has the ball cradled, that's why it wasn't overturned.

The ball touches the ground as its rolling over his right arm before he gets his other hand on it. Call could have gone either way. Since it was ruled a TD, i think its right that it wasn't overturned but if it had been ruled incomplete from the start i could have understood why, too.

Eagles TD.. i assume the one to Riley Cooper.. was definitely a TD.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

But it still makes contact with the turf and moves.

The ball did roll but it was under his arm the entire time. His body also turned allowing the ball to touch the ground.

He had possession the entire time.