What were Aikman, Buck and Pereria talking about on the Dez TD?

[Clove]

I've watched it a million times, and I could care less if it's a catch or not because we would likely score anyways, but I can't clearly say it's a catch or not. And if I were in court, and someone tried to prove it was a catch, they'd have a hard time proving it with me representing the other side.

I can't see everything in that picture, I have no clue where his forearm is because it disappears on the roll, so until I can see that, then it's inconclusive. And if it's inconclusive, then whatever the call on the field was, goes.

[zeroburrito]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

It is clearly rolling over his arm. So many are trying to make the case the laces are the tell-tale sign.

They start out at the top. The laces roll over as it rolls over his arm.

They bury themselves into the grass and when Dez uses his other hand he rolls the ball back slightly.

But the real telling part is when they roll underneath just before he rolls it back over his arm.

This is not Aikman hating.

This was an incomplete pass.

so he uses his other hand to somehow roll the ball back to the perfect position in that short amount of time? when does he practice this move?

what a BEAST.

if you look closely, by the time he has his other hand on the ball to attempt to re-spin the laces are already shown above his forearm =)

superhuman re-spin debunked.

[aikemirv]

Originally Posted by zeroburrito

look at the laces, bro. they never moved.

ball don't lie.

by the way, the ball can hit the turf if he has possession of the ball. laces don't move with a firm grip = possession.

Please tell me what he had possesion with? What part of his body? His hands were not on the ball. AT best he had it trapped against the ground with the back of his forearm and his chest - but I saw the ball move!

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SultanOfSix

Not it's not. There are degrees of movement and not everything is black and white. The fact is, the only reason they doubted the catch was because they saw the ball move due to the laces. Dez's whole body moved into the ball. Had the laces been on the other side and they never saw them, there is no way they could have ruled the ball "rolling".

Without the laces present it would have been less obvious the ball rolled. I agree. But they were present, it did roll on contact with the turf and it's not a catch.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by zeroburrito

so he uses his other hand to somehow roll the ball back to the perfect position in that short amount of time?

what a BEAST.

If what you say was true, then yes, what a beast.

But the ball rolled over his arm and he lost control for a moment. And in that moment is all it takes to consider it an incomplete pass.

They did not. It's football, so go figure.

The saving grace would have been the penalty, IF they allowed them to recall their first decision.

As a head coach, knowing EVERY scoring play would be reviewed, I think I might have held off on making a decision on the penalty until.

Because regardless of the ref speaking with Aikman, they could have ignored that as they sort of did the clock running in the Denver game.

[marchetta]

Originally Posted by Clove

I've watched it a million times, and I could care less if it's a catch or not because we would likely score anyways, but I can't clearly say it's a catch or not. And if I were in court, and someone tried to prove it was a catch, they'd have a hard time proving it with me representing the other side.

I can't see everything in that picture, I have no clue where his forearm is because it disappears on the roll, so until I can see that, then it's inconclusive. And if it's inconclusive, then whatever the call on the field was, goes.

If it took you a "million" views to determine whether it's a TD or not, there's clearly not indisputable evidence to confirm or deny the on-field call. Play stands as called on the field. TD!

[Venger]

Originally Posted by BHendri5

I hate it when aikman and buck do our games, I'm really started to dislike aikman

Yeah, that guys an !#%&^, what did he ever do for us?

[zeroburrito]

Originally Posted by aikemirv

Please tell me what he had possesion with? What part of his body? His hands were not on the ball. AT best he had it trapped against the ground with the back of his forearm and his chest - but I saw the ball move!

ball between forearm and bicep against the chest is normally called possession.

is a running back in a constant fumble?

you did not see the ball move. you saw his body move.

look at his hand when the ball "rolls". his hand(thus his entire arm) is also rolling at the same time. if his forearm is rolling at the same time as the ball, the ball really isn't rolling now is it?

more proof.

the weight of his body and the kid behind him is rolling over his arm. his grip is so tight the laces never even budge.

use your eyes!

[Bluestang]

The penalty would still stand if the play had been reversed.

[Diogenes]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

The penalty would still stand if the play had been reversed.

Exactly. You can't make a final decision on whether or not to take the penalty until you know the results of the play.

[aikemirv]

Originally Posted by zeroburrito

ball between forearm and bicep against the chest is normally called possession.

is a running back in a constant fumble?

He did not have the ball between his forearm and bicep in that still picture with the ball touching the grass!!!!

[SkinsandTerps]

The ball definitely moved. The whole "illusion" folks...need to stop taking hallucinogens.

How did that guy pull a half dollar from your ear??? ...you weren't paying close enough attention. Dez had body roll, but the ball was already moving. He re-captured the ball and it was moving, all players use the laces to stop the ball.

[zeroburrito]

Originally Posted by aikemirv

He did not have the ball between his forearm and bicep in that still picture with the ball touching the grass!!!!

just look at his hand and the laces. there is nothing more to say.

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

The ball definitely moved. The whole "illusion" folks...need to stop taking hallucinogens.

How did that guy pull a half dollar from your ear??? ...you weren't paying close enough attention. Dez had body roll, but the ball was already moving. He re-captured the ball and it was moving, all players use the laces to stop the ball.

the laces never touched his hands/arm to be stopped. you didn't even watch the video.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by zeroburrito

just look at his hand and the laces. there is nothing more to say.



the laces never touched his hands to be stopped. you didn't even watch the video.

Won't do any good.

The laces stayed in the same place. The ball would have had to spin like a top for that to happen if he lost control.

The opposite endzone view clearly shows his right arm had control the whole time.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Won't do any good.

The laces stayed in the same place. The ball would have had to spin like a top for that to happen if he lost control.

The opposite endzone view clearly shows his right arm had control the whole time.

The laces rolled from the top near his chest as the ball rolled over his arm and to the turf. Because the ball was free, he rolled it back slightly which brought the laces back from the turf.

That is absolutely clear.