What were Aikman, Buck and Pereria talking about on the Dez TD?

[AmishCowboy]

Originally Posted by JohnsKey19

The ball moved when it touched the ground. I thought the call could've gone either way

I agree

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

The laces rolled from the top near his chest as the ball rolled over his arm and to the turf. Because the ball was free, he rolled it back slightly which brought the laces back from the turf.

That is absolutely clear.

LOL.

He moved it with what?

The laces were showing with a little bit of football when he hit the ground, he rolls and the laces are showing with the same amount of football showing.

That was the most accurate roll back in the history of the world.

[zeroburrito]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

The laces rolled from the top near his chest as the ball rolled over his arm and to the turf. Because the ball was free, he rolled it back slightly which brought the laces back from the turf.

That is absolutely clear.

wrong. look at his hands.

you can do this experiment in your own home. put something in your forearm that has something you can pretend are the laces(a football works best) then rotate your hand/forearm like he did while against the ground. whatever you used as the laces are all of the sudden hidden from sight, but you didn't lose possession.

what a great science experiment! everyone in here gained 80 iq points and are now at average levels.

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by zeroburrito

the laces never touched his hands/arm to be stopped. you didn't even watch the video.

You might be right, also you might need glasses. Perhaps he just stopped the ball on the leather...that's the part you might be right about. His body helped control where the ball was, but it was on the ground rolling.

The ball was out of control and he pulled that left hand in to stop the roll.

It's not a catch.

But I certainly watched the video, in fact, I watched the game already again this morning. That part, you are wrong about.

I go back to the point, right or wrong it counted and you guys should be celebrating not berating each other.

[zeroburrito]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

You might be right, also you might need glasses. Perhaps he just stopped the ball on the leather...that's the part you might be right about. His body helped control where the ball was, but it was on the ground rolling.

The ball was out of control and he pulled that left hand in to stop the roll.

It's not a catch.

But I certainly watched the video, in fact, I watched the game already again this morning. That part, you are wrong about.

I go back to the point, right or wrong it counted and you guys should be celebrating not berating each other.

now you're just seeing what you want to see. by the time his other hand touches the ball the laces are already in plain sight(11:43). this is the easiest one to debunk. this one is so obvious it actually hurts me a little. i urge you to watch it again to relieve my pain.

the superhuman re-spin with the same arm and the total 360 spin have more grounds than this one.

[links18]

Originally Posted by Clove

I've watched it a million times, and I could care less if it's a catch or not because we would likely score anyways, but I can't clearly say it's a catch or not. And if I were in court, and someone tried to prove it was a catch, they'd have a hard time proving it with me representing the other side.

I can't see everything in that picture, I have no clue where his forearm is because it disappears on the roll, so until I can see that, then it's inconclusive. And if it's inconclusive, then whatever the call on the field was, goes.

This is the only rational approach. But the assumption we score anyways is a little questionable.

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I think the fact this thread has made 15 pages shows there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call on the field.

For my two cents, Dez's arm was under the ball so hard to say either way really.

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by zeroburrito

now you're just seeing what you want to see. by the time his other hand touches the ball the laces are already in plain sight(11:43). this is the easiest one to debunk. this one is so obvious it actually hurts me a little. i urge you to watch it again to relieve my pain.

the superhuman re-spin with the same arm and the total 360 spin have more grounds than this one.

What did I want to see ? I don't hate Dez, And I didn't care which team won, I think this division has a ways to go and any team could be out with a major injury...the Redskins are likely out. But I also don't see a SB winner in this division. So no bias or snarky point to make here from me.

The ball rolls on the turf. Anyone that sees his arm underneath throughout the attempted catch is not being honest. The exaggeration of the spin is silly. It just happened. It was not magic, just the way (no pun intended)...the ball rolls sometimes.

[fatboygixxer]

Its one of those calls where whatever was called on the field stands..if it had been ruled incomplete it wouldn't have been overturned..my guess is because his forearm is under the ball there's no DEFINITIVE evidence it hit the ground..

[zeroburrito]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

What did I want to see ? I don't hate Dez, And I didn't care which team won, I think this division has a ways to go and any team could be out with a major injury...the Redskins are likely out. But I also don't see a SB winner in this division. So no bias or snarky point to make here from me.

The ball rolls on the turf. Anyone that sees his arm underneath throughout the attempted catch is not being honest. The exaggeration of the spin is silly. It just happened. It was not magic, just the way (no pun intended)...the ball rolls sometimes.

you said it rolled and his other hand stopped the roll. how is that possible if by the time his other hand touches the ball the laces are in the same spot as where he caught it? the only way that is possible is if the ball did an entire 360 spin. you are basing the no catch on a 360 spin in a millisecond which there is no evidence of. do you see what you're typing? do you see the words than are being posted in front of your eyes?

you're right, that is an exaggerated spin. it's also silly.

[the_h0wey]

Originally Posted by links18

What in the world were Aikman, Buck and Pereria talking about on that play? There was nothing even close to sufficient evidence to overturn the call on the field, yet all three of them were absolutely sure it was getting called back. I just don't get that one at all.

I thought they were going to overturn that play. That is not a call we normally get...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by theogt

Laces in front.



Laces in back.



180 degrees.

I can see where his upper body is moved forward and down as well. If his upper body is tucked then that will tuck the laces too. You need to show a motion shot to make a compelling case.

[zeroburrito]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

I can see where his upper body is moved forward and down as well. If his upper body is tucked then that will tuck the laces too. You need to show a motion shot to make a compelling case.

the frame right after the second one happens to show the laces the same as the first frame. why did he not include that?

the main difference are the hands are in completely different positions. those 2 frames alone are not comparable. you need to watch it in motion as you said.

[Star4Ever]

I think Dez made the catch, but even if he didn't, there was zero conclusive evidence to overturn the call made on the field. The officials got it right this time just like they did when it hurt us in the Giant's game.

[Diogenes]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

I can see where his upper body is moved forward and down as well. If his upper body is tucked then that will tuck the laces too. You need to show a motion shot to make a compelling case.

Am I missing something here? The laces would be moving towards the ground, not back up to his body, no? I don't know where theogt came up with 180 degrees, though.