What were Aikman, Buck and Pereria talking about on the Dez TD?

[rynochop]

Hasn't this pond been fished dry?? Can't someone close it, I think points have been made.

[links18]

Originally Posted by rynochop

Hasn't this pond been fished dry?? Can't someone close it, I think points have been made.

I certainly didn't see this thread hitting 20 pages when I started it. Nature of our society I suppose, people will argue interminably about anything.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Now who is in denial, no way does that show the ball moving.

It is laughable.

You are wrong, have been the entire time, and yet keep posting make believe.

It didn't say it showed the ball moving, did I? Go back and read my post. Your lack of attention to detail is problematic.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by theogt

It's in these two frames where the ball is moving while touching the ground, thus causing the incompletion.

And it's in this picture that you can see the laces are in a different position than before he hits the ground.

I'm not sure that last picture is actually the laces......just a crappy picture.

Here's a different angle and the laces are clearly above his forearm just as they were when he tucked it prior to hitting.



Personally, when I thought Buck and Aikman said the ball "rolled", I didn't think they meant ONLY that the ball spun but rather than it started behind his forearm as he was diving and then came up and over the top of his forearm after he hit.


Forearm between the ball and the camera



Forearm now behind the ball after being dragged under him.



In this shot, you can see just the tippy-tip of the laces.






I really don't know. When I saw it, I thought it was moving free of his possession for just a split second.

After having looked at it too many times to count I'm really not sure.

I think the supination of the arm as it was dragged under him is what gives the appearance of the ball spinning in spot but at the same time there appears to be a split second at which the laces rotate faster than his arm. His arm rotates about 90 degrees, maybe more, as you can see his thumb on top of the ball in the first picture and when he lands the entire back of his hand ends up touching the ground.

I don't think it's definitive either way. My instinct tells me the ball did turn a little more than it probably should have but the pictures with the laces on top of the forearm tell me that even if it did turn, it wasn't much at all.

I think it's one of those that stays however it's called.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by theogt

It didn't say it showed the ball moving, did I? Go back and read my post. Your lack of attention to detail is problematic.

It's in these two frames where the ball is moving while touching the ground, thus causing the incompletion.

Lack of attention to detail huh?

[theogt]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Lack of attention to detail huh?

You fail at reading. Those two frames are during the process of the ball moving. They don't show the ball moving.

[blindzebra]

Here is the link to the stills I posted.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallas...s.php?t=247079

3rd quarter 31:09 is the full video.

Anyone who can watch that and not see control is delusional.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Here is the link to the stills I posted.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallas...s.php?t=247079

3rd quarter 31:09 is the full video.

Anyone who can watch that and not see control is delusional.

You've certainly talked yourself into seeing control.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by theogt

You fail at reading. Those two frames are during the process of the ball moving. They don't show the ball moving.

Nice back peddle.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by theogt

You've certainly talked yourself into seeing control.

Did not talk myself into anything.

This angle shows him holding the ball throughout the catch.

Combine that with the laces staying in the EXACT same relationship to his arm during the entire catch from the front angle and it is pretty obvious he caught and controlled the ball.

And FYI that is what the on field and reviewed call said.

[Hook'em#11]

Originally Posted by theogt

You've certainly talked yourself into seeing control.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Nice back peddle.

GEEZE..

Why don't you two just make out already....

[theogt]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Nice back peddle.

What the hell? Why would I claim that a still picture shows a ball moving? The gif and the video showed that.

[Risen Star]

Unless someone can show me a visual of the incompletion through the radio broadcast of the play, that's a completion.

~double checking helmets~

Yeah, completion.

[Cowboy4ever]

The ball moved, if it didn't he would have not had the need to bring his other hand up to bring it back into his body. But does it hit the ground during the movement? I don't know, you can't tell from the angle we have to look at, which makes the evidence inconclusive, so the call stands. I know some of you will point to the stills where it appears the ball is on the ground, but is it? The angle of the shot could just make it appear as if it is as the shot is not on true gound level, but from an downward angle. All in all, two professional (whatever) officals took at a look at it and decided the call the stands. All this other stuff is nonsense, it was a catch, period.

[obadiah_stane]

I'd like to say that I don't give a rat's a$$! It's about time we had a questionable call go our way. I think they still would've won this game if it had been a touchdown or not, given the special team and defensive scores, so the point is moot.