Cowboys v Giants Analysis - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Galian Beast · 11-14-2012

In terms of whether or not we can make it to the playoffs; I would like to say that we have a real chance. We've been hurting ourselves in these games with turnovers and the such. I would say mostly the defense has played well, but we need improvement from our running game and more production from our wide receivers. I'd love to see Cole Beasley get mixed in there more often moving forward.

We started the season beating the Giants, then they beat us. SPLIT

We lost to Seattle and the Giants do not play them. Advantage Giants

We lost to the Bears and the Giants do not play them. Advantage Giants

We lost to Baltimore, and the Giants still have to play them. Lean Giants

We lost to Atlanta, and the Giants still have to play them. Lean Giants

The Giants lost to the Eagles, and we beat them. Advantage Cowboys

The Giants lost to the Steelers, and we still have to play them. Lean Cowboys

The Giants lost to the Bengals, and we still have to play them. Lean Cowboys

1 point for an advantage, .5 points for a lean.

I score that 3 - 2.

We are fortunate to have the Browns next, who the Giants also beat, but more importantly is that the Giants could lose their remaining 6 games on their schedule the way they are playing. I'd certainly say that we're still in it if we can play solid and sound football and certain players can step up.

REDVOLUTION · 11-14-2012

Its such a wacky NFL lately(last 4-5 years)

We could argue that the Cowboys have had MORE talent than the Giants for the last 4-5 years and yet the Giants have 2 SB wins.

When it comes down to it, the Giants are a really BAD team, have been for years. They just seem to get it down when they need to.

One of the worst, yet BEST/LUCKIEST team in terms of CLUTCH teams in the NFL.

HoosierCowboy · 11-14-2012

I would not say we have been more talented than the Giants, maybe in some marquee positions but not in the trenches--I do think that they've been lucky --take away a catch against the helmet by a scrub and maybe a TD pass lost in the lights and they have not won any SBs.

bigdnlaca · 11-14-2012

I'm going by this.

Cowboys have to at least tie with the Giants and have a better divisional record to win the division.

tecolote · 11-14-2012

It' going to come down to divisional record. Right now we have the edge.

erod · 11-14-2012

The Giants historically stink in November and peak in December.

Dallas does the opposite.

The schedule doesn't really favor either side overall. It's going to come down to who plays best in December.

But if Dallas loses Sunday or Thursday, that might end it without the suspense.

AdamJT13 · 11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by bigdnlaca

I'm going by this.

Cowboys have to at least tie with the Giants and have a better divisional record to win the division.

Not true. If we tie the Giants overall and have the same record in the division, we are guaranteed to win the next tiebreaker (common opponents).

erod · 11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Not true. If we tie the Giants overall and have the same record in the division, we are guaranteed to win the next tiebreaker (common opponents).

I think the next tie-breaker is conference record, not common opponents.

EDIT: It is common opponents, you are right.

jterrell · 11-14-2012

what the giants do matters not iota to me.

they are not on the schedule again.

dallas simply needs to beat very beatable teams and lock up a playoff spot.

if dallas gets to 9-7 and that is enough to get into the playoffs i will take it. if it takes 10-6 then that's the mark they must hit.

dallas is every bit as good as the giants but that only becomes relevant if we meet in the playoffs.

yimyammer · 11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by erod

I think the next tie-breaker is conference record, not common opponents.

EDIT: It is common opponents, you are right.

Never doubt the Adam!

bigdnlaca · 11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Not true. If we tie the Giants overall and have the same record in the division, we are guaranteed to win the next tiebreaker (common opponents).

guarantee?

AdamJT13 · 11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by bigdnlaca

guarantee?

Yes, IF we tie them overall AND have the same record in the division, we are guaranteed to win the next tiebreaker, which is common opponents.

We lost to both of our non-common opponents (Seattle and Chicago), and the Giants beat the 49ers (they have yet to play the Packers), so there is no way for them to have a better record against common opponents IF we end up with the same record overall. Along with two head-to-head games, we each play 12 games against common opponents and two against non-common opponents. We went 1-1 head-to-head, and we went 0-2 against non-common opponents. They're 1-0 against non-common opponents and can be no worse than 1-1. That means if we both finish 10-6, we'd be 9-3 against common opponents, and they'd be no better than 8-4. If we both finish 9-7, we'd be 8-4 against common opponents, and they'd be no better than 7-5. And so forth, no matter what record we both have if we tie.

tecolote · 11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Yes, IF we tie them overall AND have the same record in the division, we are guaranteed to win the next tiebreaker, which is common opponents.

We lost to both of our non-common opponents (Seattle and Chicago), and the Giants beat the 49ers (they have yet to play the Packers), so there is no way for them to have a better record against common opponents IF we end up with the same record overall. Along with two head-to-head games, we each play 12 games against common opponents and two against non-common opponents. We went 1-1 head-to-head, and we went 0-2 against non-common opponents. They're 1-0 against non-common opponents and can be no worse than 1-1. That means if we both finish 10-6, we'd be 9-3 against common opponents, and they'd be no better than 8-4. If we both finish 9-7, we'd be 8-4 against common opponents, and they'd be no better than 7-5. And so forth, no matter what record we both have if we tie.

That's a great explanation, thanks Adam.

GloryDaysRBack · 11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Yes, IF we tie them overall AND have the same record in the division, we are guaranteed to win the next tiebreaker, which is common opponents.

We lost to both of our non-common opponents (Seattle and Chicago), and the Giants beat the 49ers (they have yet to play the Packers), so there is no way for them to have a better record against common opponents IF we end up with the same record overall. Along with two head-to-head games, we each play 12 games against common opponents and two against non-common opponents. We went 1-1 head-to-head, and we went 0-2 against non-common opponents. They're 1-0 against non-common opponents and can be no worse than 1-1. That means if we both finish 10-6, we'd be 9-3 against common opponents, and they'd be no better than 8-4. If we both finish 9-7, we'd be 8-4 against common opponents, and they'd be no better than 7-5. And so forth, no matter what record we both have if we tie.

Was just getting ready to post this.

This is why the Op post makes no sense.

As already mentioned, cowboys control the tiebreaker with the giants

MASSIVE ADVANTAGE: Cowboys

Galian Beast · 11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

Was just getting ready to post this.

This is why the Op post makes no sense.

As already mentioned, cowboys control the tiebreaker with the giants

MASSIVE ADVANTAGE: Cowboys

That is with the assumption that we somehow tie...