Phil Simms: "Eli is not Elite"

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by Frozen700

Most Qb's won't chuck those balls up.

Eli is trusting his WR's to make a play.

That is why it would be dangerous to give Eli, A Moss, Dez, Megatron ect type of WR.

Look what he has done with Bennett....Throw it up enough times, he will come down with it.

I understand we are cowboy fans. But to say he is not Elite is just dumb.

I'm also saying his WR's so far in the last few games have not been helping him out. Ever since Cruz took a big shot from us...(Even the announcers have pointed this out) he has ducked for cover.

So yeah His Recievers help him out, as he gives them chances...but so far his WR's can't really do ****. You can partially thank Dallas, for drawing up the blueprint on how to defend the Giants WR's

Being a Cowboys fan has nothing to do with it. Calling Eli elite is just dumb elite do not put up the cruddy season he has had. You take 2 years he played very good ball and equate that to elite? Give me a break. Brees, Payton Manning, Tom Brady year in and year out put up outstanding numbers that is elite not 2 years out of their career. SB are team achivement and NY defense had as much to do with that success.

If 2 out of 9 years is elite then the bar for what Elite is has been drastically lowered.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

True. Eli is a very good QB however elite you expect the consistency year in and year out. Eli just has not done that. He has gotten on hot streaks and last year really played great ball all year long but for the most part Eli has not shown the consistency you expect out of the elite.

That's always been by issue with calling him elite.
I'm not trying to diss the guy and always want to give the man credit for those Super Bowl runs--even if in both cases the defesne peaked at the end of the year and was dominant, he did play very good football.
But he has had some remarkable strings of really bad ball as well.
I said earlier this year when Romo was off to his worst statistical start ever, that before the year was over the averages would work out to where he would probaly catch or surpass Eli in QB rating. He's just more consistant, normally, than Eli is.

But still, I give Eli a ton of credit and feel he deserves it.
I do think not having a healthy Hakim Nicks has hurt Manning some this year. he can be dominant.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

That's always been by issue with calling him Eli.
I'm not trying to diss the guy and always want to give the man credit for those Super Bowl runs--even if in both cases the defesne peaked at the end of the year and was dominant, he did play very good football.
But he has had some remarkable strings of really bad ball as well.
I said earlier this year when Romo was off to his worst statistical start ever, that before the year was over the averages would work out to where he would probaly catch or surpass Eli in QB rating. He's just more consistant, normally, than Eli is.

But still, I give Eli a ton of credit and feel he deserves it.
I do think not having a healthy Hakim Nicks has hurt Manning some this year. he can be dominant.

Fully agree with you. By no means am I saying Eli is a bad QB or that Eli got lucky. Eli is a very good QB and I'm sure many teams would love to have him.

I can't say with a straight face that his skills are the same as his brother, Brees, Rodgers or Brady he has not shown that type of high level play consistently as they have.

I also do not look at team achievement as the gold standard for what qualifies as elite. Like any other position elite is an athlete who performs to a very high level year in and year out.

[erod]

Eli=Romo=Flacco=Cutler=Rivers=Schaub

Good, experienced, proven quarterbacks, but not elite.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by erod

Eli=Romo=Flacco=Cutler=Rivers=Schaub

Good, experienced, proven quarterbacks, but not elite.

I would agree. Rivers really dropped off, I think many saw him as an elite QB.

[jobberone]

He's never been elite. He's the luckiest you know what I've ever seen, he's good enough, and he is a winner often enough to not have everyone on his arse all the time. I wouldn't begin to think of trading Romo for him and that's my ultimate test.

Rodgers, Brees, Peyton are the only QBs as good or better than Romo. IMO.

[erod]

Originally Posted by jobberone

He's never been elite. He's the luckiest you know what I've ever seen, he's good enough, and he is a winner often enough to not have everyone on his arse all the time. I wouldn't begin to think of trading Romo for him and that's my ultimate test.

Rodgers, Brees, Peyton are the only QBs as good or better than Romo. IMO.

I'd add Brady, and soon to be Andrew Luck.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by erod

I'd add Brady, and soon to be Andrew Luck.

Man, I sat there and said I'm leaving someone off. Thanks. Yes, he belongs. I think you'll be right about Luck but it's premature. But I'd be surprised if he didn't make the list in a few.

[Blackspider214]

Originally Posted by Frozen700

Eli is Elite...cut the bull****

His Receivers don't help him. Cruz is finally showing his true colors. He's a wimp.

Yeah Manningham makes the tip toe catch in the Super Bowl and Tyree catching the ball over his head didn't help Eli at all. Do you even watch these games? Without those plays, those Super Bowls aren't won.

Elite QBs don't sneak their teams into the playoffs on the last day of the season. He is not consistent at all. He will get on a hot streak at the very end and ride it out. And then return the next season nowhere close to that.

His brother, elite. Brady, elite. Him, not even close. Quit kidding yourself.

[CowboysFanSince88]

Originally Posted by Frozen700

Most Qb's won't chuck those balls up.

Eli is trusting his WR's to make a play.

That is why it would be dangerous to give Eli, A Moss, Dez, Megatron ect type of WR.

Look what he has done with Bennett....Throw it up enough times, he will come down with it.

I understand we are cowboy fans. But to say he is not Elite is just dumb.

I'm also saying his WR's so far in the last few games have not been helping him out. Ever since Cruz took a big shot from us...(Even the announcers have pointed this out) he has ducked for cover.

So yeah His Recievers help him out, as he gives them chances...but so far his WR's can't really do ****. You can partially thank Dallas, for drawing up the blueprint on how to defend the Giants WR's

So is that how the Bengals defended the Giants? I didn;t see the game

[SaltwaterServr]

Originally Posted by Blackspider214

Yeah Manningham makes the tip toe catch in the Super Bowl and Tyree catching the ball over his head didn't help Eli at all. Do you even watch these games? Without those plays, those Super Bowls aren't won.

Elite QBs don't sneak their teams into the playoffs on the last day of the season. He is not consistent at all. He will get on a hot streak at the very end and ride it out. And then return the next season nowhere close to that.

His brother, elite. Brady, elite. Him, not even close. Quit kidding yourself.

To add to that, two balls thrown so poorly in the 2011 NFC Championship that the only people close enough to catch it were the San Francisco DB's who knocked each other off the ball. Either of those are caught and the Giants don't go to the SuperBowl.

2007, Eli hits Asante in the hands with an interception, no WR in sight. Asante catches it instead, game over. If any of the three holds are called on the random toss up on fourth down, NE goes 19-0.

[physeter]

Originally Posted by CowboysFanSince88

Phil Simms was similar to Eli so he should know LOL

Exactly, this is what I was thinking too

[SkinsandTerps]

I wonder where Simms puts Romo on his list ?

I am not saying this to be a jerk. I think both are better than Simms ever was. Simms has two rings also, one from the sidelines however.

I have always felt that the whole Parcells "bus driver" mantra was about Simms.

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

I've never even seen Romo struggle for three straight, let alone those guys. And Eli has done this several times in his career.

Nevertheless, I have hard time dissing Eli too much with him holding those titles. I've always said that he very inconsistant--far, FAR less consistant than Romo. They both have been JAGs (or worse) at times this year though.
But Eli gets on a hot streak, he can ride it for several games running--as we've seen more than once. The issue is that he almost as many bad streaks as he does good ones, with possible exception of last season.

Nah, it's not really Eli. It's their entire team. They go into month long funks at least once a season. The only question with them is whether they wake up in time for the playoffs or phone it in the rest of the way. I tend to think Coughlin rubs players the wrong way sometimes and some of them just quit rather than play for him.

When they're on, they're as good as anyone. When they're not, they're just another average team. IMO, they have the 2 most important elements to a championship: a QB that can win in the clutch, and multiple elite pass rushers. They clearly aren't playing consistently at the level of Atl, SF, and GB, but come playoff time, I don't think it would shock anyone if NYG sent any or all of them packing.

[CowboysFanSince88]

Originally Posted by Double Trouble

Nah, it's not really Eli. It's their entire team. They go into month long funks at least once a season. The only question with them is whether they wake up in time for the playoffs or phone it in the rest of the way. I tend to think Coughlin rubs players the wrong way sometimes and some of them just quit rather than play for him.

When they're on, they're as good as anyone. When they're not, they're just another average team. IMO, they have the 2 most important elements to a championship: a QB that can win in the clutch, and multiple elite pass rushers. They clearly aren't playing consistently at the level of Atl, SF, and GB, but come playoff time, I don't think it would shock anyone if NYG sent any or all of them packing.

Pierre Paul was asked on ESPN radio, "what is wrong with you guys"

The idiot responded with.."I don't know"