An Example of Garrett's Playcall

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

Please don't equate the modern pro game with Garrett's offense... The guy shouldn't even be coaching a pee-wee league. I'd bet he'd expect his WRs that are 7 years old to run 60 yard outs...

The guys claim to fame was one Thanksgiving game passing over 300 yards where he just kept chucking up balls to the WRs that made plays. Arena QB, who had to follow his father to Columbia to that impressive 0-10 season under his father. The same guy who followed his father to Dallas as a 3rd stringer QB, after a career in the Arena league. It's calle nepotism and connections plain and simple.

How impressive Harrington was as a QB in Miani with Jason as his coach....

Ok. Forget the studying part. I see that as being fruitless. I don't have a way to adequately and justifiably reply to your comment. It's not my limitations that refrain me either.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by jobberone

Ok. Forget the studying part. I see that as being fruitless. I don't have a way to adequately and justifiably reply to your comment. It's not my limitations that refrain me either.

I gave it the 'ol college try too but I'm done as well.

Somehow someone interpreted as the "greatest play call" in the NFL and just ran with it to support their Garrett-hate.

Moreover I astounded how someone can really believe that in the no-huddle/2 min offense Romo is drawing up his own plays at the LOS. Every NFL playbook has no-huddle/2 min plays that are practiced throughout the week that come from...wait for it...the offensive coach's playbook.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by jobberone

Ok. Forget the studying part. I see that as being fruitless. I don't have a way to adequately and justifiably reply to your comment. It's not my limitations that refrain me either.

You don't have a way, but it's not because of your limitations? ..Maybe you also learned under the Garrett system of 'doesn't make sense'.

But don't worry, I wasn't really expecting a response on these points. There is no disputing the fact that Garrett's experience and his overall body of work is quite "limited"...

[rickjameschinaclub]

And somebody somehow tried to use an example of Tony Romo overthrowing a receiver by a small margin as some sort of point regarding how it's not all about coaching, as if an overthrown ball by Tony Romo absolves Garrett of just crappy play calling...

What's even more ridiculous is the new attempt to downplay the point regarding no-huddle and this offense reducing the Garrett effect to a minimum.

So now let's credit Garrett for the no-huddle playcalling as well now, because you know, we got to defend Garrett to the last straw... Why was Tony Romo yelling at Garrett again?

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

No, I get the point of the thread. Tony Romo simply overthrew a tight-end on one play, yet we are here trying to argue some point that Garrett is absolved of blame for his coaching based upon one play...

Yep. Case closed. You don't understand what the thread is about and you want to make it into something it's not.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Yep. Case closed. You don't understand what the thread is about and you want to make it into something it's not.

I'm go to req-quote for you, since you snipped it out of your 'response', words from the guy who originated this very thread:

I could break it down for you further but you wouldn't get the point because your mind it already set to believe that Garrett is the problem.

Let's not also forget that this thread was titled "Example of Garrett's playcall".

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

The route runner with the option is going to read the leverage the defender is going to play and then basically counter it with the appropriate route.

Witten is mainly that guy, just because he's the most trust worthy guy that the QB can rely on.

I guess my question is best summarized by the following points:

• Is the option receiver(s) determined by play, formation or overall offensive design (in otherwords, is Witten the ONLY option route all game and a decision made during the week, or is it a function of play call)?
• Are there multiple options, 2, 3, 4, etc.?
• If it is a function of playcall, how is it communicated in this terminology.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I guess my question is best summarized by the following points:

• Is the option receiver(s) determined by play, formation or overall offensive design (in otherwords, is Witten the ONLY option route all game and a decision made during the week, or is it a function of play call)?
• Are there multiple options, 2, 3, 4, etc.?
• If it is a function of playcall, how is it communicated in this terminology.

The option route is determined by the defensive alignment and what techniques defenders are playing.

Witten is mostly the guy that runs them but the WRs will also run them at times. You could technically call "hot reads" as an option route too but I don't because it's usually something that is a sight adjustment at the LOS between the QB and the receiver when they face a blitz pre-snap. The way I see an option route is that on post-snap the QB is reading the defender as the play unfolds and sees his technique/leverage and so is the receiver and they both make the same read to throw the ball to the open window and the receiver stems his route to the same window.

It should also be mentioned that during the gameplan install/meetings/practices during the week the players and coaches will review every possible scenario that could present the option routes with each play call.

Multiple options could exist but the more you put in the more at risk you become will player execution being an issue.

There isn't any real special communication in the play call but this is where the film review/meetings/practices play a big part in the receiver and the QB reading the opposing defense. When they see a certain defensive look or tendency they will rely on their study in the film room and practices throughout the week to run the correct option route.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

I'm go to req-quote for you, since you snipped it out of your 'response', words from the guy who originated this very thread:

Let's not also forget that this thread was titled "Example of Garrett's playcall".

Both of those quotes are accurate, and neither helps you make your point.

[junk]

Originally Posted by jobberone

Third is the routes are meant to not play into what the defense wants but to take advantage of how the defense plays.

As opposed to other offenses that have routes that are meant to play into the what the defense wants?

This seems like a basic tenet of any offense.

[e41dalasfan]

Originally Posted by jobberone

How in the heck can you take a post I made talking about some basic generalities of a vertical offense (and not even one in particular) and come up with that?

Just seemed like we are wasting a whole lot of time disecting a pass play that should have been a run play to begin with...In my opinion

[junk]

Originally Posted by jobberone

You do have a point about the offense. Sooner or later the blame has to lie with the head of the department. However, until you have all the ingredients to bake a cake no matter how hard the cook tries, how loud the cries of the fans and owner are, you aren't getting a cake.

What "ingredients" do you feel are missing?

There seems to be a perception around here that Garrett has a superior scheme, but the players just aren't executing it.

Well, if that is the case, it ceases to be a superior scheme. A good coach should be able to adapt what he wants to do to the strengths and weaknesses of his team. That is one thing that separates average coaches from great ones.

Garrett is going to have a learning curve as a head coach. He hasn't had the seasoning he needed before getting the head job. And, the performance on the field has reflected that. I think one of the things he'll need to learn is that he can't be so inflexible.....he'll need to adapt from series to series, quarter to quarter, game to game and season to season. He needs to adapt to the strengths and abilities of the personnel that he has. I'm not sure he is great at that yet.

[Doomsay]

There have been eight times where Felix Jones has run with the ball when the Cowboys needed 1 or 2 yards for a first down. He’s gotten the necessary yards for a first down all eight times.

From PFF

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...tions-week-10/

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Yep. Case closed. You don't understand what the thread is about and you want to make it into something it's not.

He's the ultimate troll. I have him on ignore but I'm still forced to read his damn posts. I wish you much luck with him Idg!

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Doomsay

From PFF

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...tions-week-10/

What they failed to mention is that of those 8 attempts, 3 of those were on short yardage 3rd downs (1-2 yds to go) and 1 of those 3 was for a 12 yd gain.

That means on second and short they've ran the ball 5 times with Jones and converted those into 1st downs too.

I agree with what they are trying to say though, Jones should get more opportunities in short yardage if he can hold onto the ball.