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11-14-2012
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Originally Posted by ajk23az
Uh, I'm sure there there are other receivers in the play not running 20 yard routes. Tony is the one throwing the ball.
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This...though that's not to say I always like the plays he calls.
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Originally Posted by dboyz
One of the times he did this it was a touchdown to Dez Bryant. Just sayin.
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This also. The plays are designed, I think, to get man to man coverage. That's when you get big plays down the field, and Tony likes to take his shots. I don't think Tony gives a rip if its third down or not to be honest.
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11-14-2012
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#32
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Originally Posted by Future
This...though that's not to say I always like the plays he calls.
This also. The plays are designed, I think, to get man to man coverage. That's when you get big plays down the field, and Tony likes to take his shots. I don't think Tony gives a rip if its third down or not to be honest.
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Well if that's true then that will be one of the reasons he is not a top 5 QB in the league. As a NFL QB you have to be concerned with keeping a drive alive.
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11-14-2012
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#33
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Originally Posted by CowboysFanSince88
I seriously doubt a team takes away 4 yd passes on 3rd and 3 with the cushion that cornerbacks give in 2012
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Why would a team or in reality defensive coordinator allow and offense to pick up an easy first down on a 3rd and short?
It's 3rd and short, you play defense to get off the field...
Do you guys listen to yourselves sometimes?
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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11-14-2012
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#34
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Originally Posted by Bluestang
Why would a team or in reality defensive coordinator allow and offense to pick up an easy first down on a 3rd and short?
It's 3rd and short, you play defense to get off the field...
Do you guys listen to yourselves sometimes?
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That's what I always thought but do not tell me you have not seen a CB playing 9 yds off the receiver on 3rd and 6?
That's why I always stated the CB is the most useless position on any NFL team and the max salary should be $90,000
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11-14-2012
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Originally Posted by CowboysFanSince88
That's what I always thought but do not tell me you have not seen a CB playing 9 yds off the receiver on 3rd and 6?
That's why I always stated the CB is the most useless position on any NFL team and the max salary should be $90,000
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3rd and 6 is considered a passing situation unless your offensive coordinator has given up on the drive and calls a safe run play to punt.
Some schemes play off coverage, like the Atlanta Falcons, to play to their corners strengths.
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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11-14-2012
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My favorite is when it's 3rd and 1 and we take all the WRs out of the game and pretend we are physical. I don't know how teams keep stopping that play when they must start the play laughing hysterically.
Other than that, I can accept the low percentage down the sideline 20 yard throw on 3rd and 3.
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11-14-2012
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Originally Posted by Bluestang
3rd and 6 is considered a passing situation unless your offensive coordinator has given up on the drive and calls a safe run play to punt.
Some schemes play off coverage, like the Atlanta Falcons, to play to their corners strengths.
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But why play off coverage if the yds needed for the 1st down is 5 or less?
I would think the coverage would be man to man.
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11-14-2012
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#38
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Originally Posted by CowboysFanSince88
I get so damm annoyed when it's 3rd and 3 and Garrett calls a 20 yd pass play which is usually incomplete and we have to punt. Why not get the 1st down and then go for the homerun? Any coach should know it makes more sense to take a shot for a big play on 1st or 2nd down not 3rd down when you need to keep the drive alive.
He did this about 3 times against the Eagles and I;m not sure why he is doing it. It's called STUPID coaching
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yeah, no coach has ever thrown a deep pass on a 3rd down. why don;'t you go and watch the atlanta game and see how many times did they do that to us. while you add it, take out the bears tape and see that too.
when it works, its great. when it doesn't fans like you become arm chair coaches.
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11-14-2012
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#39
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Originally Posted by CowboysFanSince88
But why play off coverage if the yds needed for the 1st down is 5 or less?
I would think the coverage would be man to man.
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Why would you play a corner in tight man to man coverage if he's not good at it?
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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11-14-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluestang
Why would you play a corner in tight man to man coverage if he's not good at it?
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But how does a corner even make the team if he is not good at it?
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11-14-2012
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#41
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This thread has been pure comedy. Thanks, OP.
I've learned to laugh at those who don't understand the game (but think they do) rather than waste my time trying to reason with them.
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11-14-2012
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#42
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didn't we complete 3 passes on 3rd down that did not pick up the first against philly? that is the most frustrating to me.
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11-14-2012
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#43
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Originally Posted by Shinywalrus
Last season, Romo completed 54% of his 20+ yard passes, not dramatically different from his mid-range accuracy. It wasn't unreasonable to come into this season feeling like you were playing the odds by passing more on those down-and-distance situations.
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Well, it wouldn't have been unreasonable to think that if we had the same receiving corps as last year. But Romo's #1 deep target was replaced by someone who has proved to be a far less capable player.
Targets more than 15 yards downfield
(as a percentage of top 3 WR targets)
2011
Robinson 42%
Bryant 29.5%
Austin 28.5%
2012
Austin 46%
Bryant 39%
Ogletree 15%
From 2011 to 2012, the distribution of these passes has been turned upside down. When Romo targets a WR on an intermediate-to-deep throw, Ogletree is his target only 15% of the time. Last year, Robinson was the target of those throws 42% of the time. The change at the #3WR position has radically affected our passing game. Not only has the production we were getting from Robinson completely disappeared, it also means Romo has been forced to target Miles and Dez on intermediate-to-deep throws far more often than last year, and almost certainly more often than he would like.
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11-14-2012
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#44
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This thread is gold. I've learned nothing, and it's still gold.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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11-15-2012
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#45
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You have to love the play calling around the 1:44 mark at the end of the first half. Before that point, Felix Jones rips off 15 yards. Jason Witten picks up 9 solid. I'm thinking field goal range first. Witten's 9 yard catch makes it 2nd and 1 at the Philadelphia 41. Dallas has 2 time outs. Do they run to pick up the yard with two time outs? No. They pass..pass. and punt. This was another wasted opportunity to put points on the board.
Didn't I just witness this in the Giants game, with the game on the line?
They still just don't get it. (Garrett and Romo)
That is poor situational football at the end of the half. A draw to Jones could not only net a yard, it may put you in field goal range. You have two time outs.
Then, the 2nd half starts... I'm thinking the Cowboys will get back to Felix Jones and start moving the ball again. Nope. Kill..Kill..Kill..Incomplete..Kill..Kill..Kill.. Incomplete...Incomplete..Punt
The Eagles take control after that pitiful sequence.
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