If Garrett can stop doing this on 3rd down this team can make the playoffs

[FLcowboy]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I don't have a problem with 20 yard routes on a 3rd and short down and distance. I don't think we need all the routes to be 20 yards deep but it does make sense to run a deeper route in order to draw safety coverage and make LBs drop. If the Defense doesn't do that, then everybody is at the LOS and it's harder to make the first. It comes down to spacing basically. The real problem is that we have a QB and Coach who like to go down field and will look to do that all too often in situations where a shorter route or a run might be better served. Of course, it's hard to call anybody out when we can't get 3 yards in short yardage situations with any regularity at all. That needs to be fixed.

On the other hand, how many 3 yard passes to Witten are going to get this team to the playoffs?

[Rockytop6]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I don't have a problem with 20 yard routes on a 3rd and short down and distance. I don't think we need all the routes to be 20 yards deep but it does make sense to run a deeper route in order to draw safety coverage and make LBs drop. If the Defense doesn't do that, then everybody is at the LOS and it's harder to make the first. It comes down to spacing basically. The real problem is that we have a QB and Coach who like to go down field and will look to do that all too often in situations where a shorter route or a run might be better served. Of course, it's hard to call anybody out when we can't get 3 yards in short yardage situations with any regularity at all. That needs to be fixed.

I get frustrated when we keep running the same play on 3rd and one or 4th and one and is stuffed at the line of scrimmage. lol

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by CowboysFanSince88

I get so damm annoyed when it's 3rd and 3 and Garrett calls a 20 yd pass play which is usually incomplete and we have to punt. Why not get the 1st down and then go for the homerun? Any coach should know it makes more sense to take a shot for a big play on 1st or 2nd down not 3rd down when you need to keep the drive alive.

He did this about 3 times against the Eagles and I;m not sure why he is doing it. It's called STUPID coaching

You do know there are multiple options on almost every pass play. Because Romo makes a 20 yard throw does not mean the play called for him to take the deeper shot. He looks at the defensive alignments and looks at the match up he has.

[Yeagermeister]

If our wrs would run the pattern past the first down yardage it would make sense. It could be the way the play is designed but it drives me crazy when we need 3 yds and they run a pattern for two yards.

[CowboysFanSince88]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

You do know there are multiple options on almost every pass play. Because Romo makes a 20 yard throw does not mean the play called for him to take the deeper shot. He looks at the defensive alignments and looks at the match up he has.

Well as the coach it's up to Garrett to tell Romo, "Don't take shots down the field on 3rd down because the goal is to keep the drive alive. So if you want to take a chance and throw the deep ball I have no problem with you doing it on 1st and 2nd down."

[CowboysFanSince88]

Originally Posted by Yeagermeister

If our wrs would run the pattern past the first down yardage it would make sense. It could be the way the play is designed but it drives me crazy when we need 3 yds and they run a pattern for two yards.

Again that falls back on coaching, the wide receiver coach is not telling them to go BEYOND the 1st down marker

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by CowboysFanSince88

Well as the coach it's up to Garrett to tell Romo, "Don't take shots down the field on 3rd down because the goal is to keep the drive alive. So if you want to take a chance and throw the deep ball I have no problem with you doing it on 1st and 2nd down."

He is looking at the matchup he has, give it a rest for a change. You guys go after Garrett and do not even understand what you are talking about QB look for the matchup, and when we hit those plays none of you say a damn thing. Hell there are many time he hits witten in those situation for a 1st down but take a shot 20 yards down field on occation and you would think Dallas does that 100% of the time, well they don't

[CowboysFanSince88]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

He is looking at the matchup he has, give it a rest for a change. You guys go after Garrett and do not even understand what you are talking about QB look for the matchup, and when we hit those plays none of you say a damn thing. Hell there are many time he hits witten in those situation for a 1st down but take a shot 20 yards down field on occation and you would think Dallas does that 100% of the time, well they don't

And I went....."Stupid pass but luckily he made it and got the 1st down". I still call plays stupid that work and just be glad that it worked out. I have never liked bombs on 3rd down because it's too risky

[CowboyChris]

Originally Posted by Blackspider214

What bugs me even more is when we try a pass on 1st down and it is incomplete or gains no to very little yards, which seems to be a JG specialty. Then on cue, we run some stupid delayed draw on 2nd down, usually resulting in no yards to a 3-4 yard loss, setting up a 3rd and long, where a lot of the times, we pass to Witten for about 7 yards and he falls down.

ive seen that plenty of times, and that little 1 yard out to Witten play should be deleted all together.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by CowboysFanSince88

And I went....."Stupid pass but luckily he made it and got the 1st down". I still call plays stupid that work and just be glad that it worked out. I have never liked bombs on 3rd down because it's too risky

I like hitting open targets and if that means taking a shot be it on 1st or 3rd down then you take the shot when the opportunity presents itself. Also there are many times it is a short pass to Witten for the 1st down, hell Witten is the leading receiver on the team and it is not 20 yard passes he is catching most are around the 5 to 10 yard range for 1st downs. Sorry after a while some of these attacks on Garrett are just flat out stupid.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I like hitting open targets and if that means taking a shot be it on 1st or 3rd down then you take the shot when the opportunity presents itself.

I love it, too. I never complain about taking a knock-out shot against the right coverage.

We're missing on a bunch of them right now, too. Keep taking them, because when they start to connect, things are going to change in how we get defended. The big play to Dez last weekend against the blitz quieted them down a lot. And Romo overthrew another earlier in the game that probably would have changed the complexion of the game earlier had it connected.

[Blackspider214]

Originally Posted by DallasDW00ds0n

yeah because were usually up by 20 points...


said no cowboys fan ever circa garrett era

I honestly can only remember 2 games where we were in complete control in the Garrett era. Buffalo last year and also Detroit. And we all know what happened with Detroit. But those are the only ones I can recall where we had any kind of substantial lead.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by Blackspider214

I honestly can only remember 2 games where we were in complete control in the Garrett era. Buffalo last year and also Detroit. And we all know what happened with Detroit. But those are the only ones I can recall where we had any kind of substantial lead.

I can think of many games where the offense played very well only to have the defense blow the game late.

[CowboysFanSince88]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I like hitting open targets and if that means taking a shot be it on 1st or 3rd down then you take the shot when the opportunity presents itself. Also there are many times it is a short pass to Witten for the 1st down, hell Witten is the leading receiver on the team and it is not 20 yard passes he is catching most are around the 5 to 10 yard range for 1st downs. Sorry after a while some of these attacks on Garrett are just flat out stupid.

Of course if someone is wide open due to a blown coverage then I agree Romo should throw the bomb but if the receiver is not WIDE OPEN then I don't like the risk because it results in

Punting
Other team getting the ball and possibly scoring

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by CowboysFanSince88

Of course if someone is wide open due to a blown coverage then I agree Romo should throw the bomb but if the receiver is not WIDE OPEN then I don't like the risk because it results in

Punting
Other team getting the ball and possibly scoring

But you are assuming the short ball is open. Often in short yardage the defense will look to take that short pass away if they have a LB underneath and a safety over the top on Witten leaving a one on one matchup on the outside then I'll take the chance. Sorry I don't think it is much of an issue, Dallas is converting 42% on 3rd down which is better than avg in the league. Yes we take some shots at time but we are still throwing the shorter passes to pick up 1st downs as well. It is not like we always take shots down the field.