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Old 11-16-2012   #16
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I love Wonder Bread also. Its the only white bread I eat.
I'm not fat, I'm cultivating mass.
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Old 11-16-2012   #17
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You guys are right, the workers should've just rolled over and taken the pay/benefits deductions. Why bother saying anything, just let them pay you what they wish. Don't bother standing up for yourselves. I'd like to see how some of you would react if your boss told you they were cutting your pay and benefits.
Pay deduction versus losing your job right before the holiday season. You tell me which was the right decision.

The unions killed the company. I'd say I'm surprised, but I've seen it happen to plenty of Dad's competition. They'd go out of business and if/when the parent company bought out assets to add to our inventory or remove a competing product from the market, they'd get access to the books. More often we'd get the former employees looking for a new job. The pay rates and benefits packages were killing the company.

Moreover, a unionized company in the steel fabrication business couldn't respond as quickly to market conditions as dad could. Adding on a shift or going to 24 hour production cycles didn't require a week of negotiations, it required a memo. End of story.
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Fruit Pie man myself. As a kid, one year my parents got me 10 fruit pies - I ate them all in a bout 3 hours.

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Fruit Pie man myself. As a kid, one year my parents got me 10 fruit pies - I ate them all in a bout 3 hours.
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FYI, this was dead from the get-go. Both the Union and the company execs thought they could beat the other. Check out the CEO's pay raise after declaring bankruptcy.

This was two non-bending greedy ***es banging heads until the entire company died.

Don't worry though. Top execs will walk away rich as all get-out when it's done and the Union powers that be will learn a valuable lesson just a little too late and the little guys will get completely screwed.

The little guy is who always gets screwed in the end.

Greed and power are what it's all about. Someone always thinks they are bigger, but someone has to fail. When that guy fails, the little guys get hit the hardest.
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The bakers union represented 30% of Hostess' entire workforce; 70% agreed to pay concessions and instead got the boot, thanks to the union. Even the Teamsters suggested they take the concessions and get back to work.

Nice job unions.
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You guys are right, the workers should've just rolled over and taken the pay/benefits deductions. Why bother saying anything, just let them pay you what they wish. Don't bother standing up for yourselves. I'd like to see how some of you would react if your boss told you they were cutting your pay and benefits.
If I was an unskilled laborer in this economy and my boss said "you need to take a pay cut or I'll go out of business and you'll be unemployed" then ya, I'd probably take the paycut.

Those 18,000 folks will be standing up for themselves on the unemployment line now.
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If I was an unskilled laborer in this economy and my boss said "you need to take a pay cut or I'll go out of business and you'll be unemployed" then ya, I'd probably take the paycut.

Those 18,000 folks will be standing up for themselves on the unemployment line now.
See, the problem is you get employers like Walmart who don't give a crap and will lie to their employees to rob them of their deserved monies.

Unions are good to protect employees, but when you get the wrong people controlling the Unions, they hose the people and the company too.

Unions are good, but Unions can DEFINITELY be bad for all when you have trash running the Union.

Unions officials are like Government officials. If you have good ones, your country runs well. When you get trash running the show, the country begins to falter.

In this case, both sides were trash.
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See, the problem is you get employers like Walmart who don't give a crap and will lie to their employees to rob them of their deserved monies.

Unions are good to protect employees, but when you get the wrong people controlling the Unions, they hose the people and the company too.

Unions are good, but Unions can DEFINITELY be bad for all when you have trash running the Union.

Unions officials are like Government officials. If you have good ones, your country runs well. When you get trash running the show, the country begins to falter.

In this case, both sides were trash.
Why is Hostess trash? Because they were a successful company who are dealing with the consequences of our times? Everybody is trying to deal with it except the fools who think they can ignore it and go about with business as usual attitudes and make demands in an ailing economy.
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Why is Hostess trash? Because they were a successful company who are dealing with the consequences of our times? Everybody is trying to deal with it except the fools who think they can ignore it and go about with business as usual attitudes and make demands in an ailing economy.
There was greed and bullying from both sides. Hostess should not be closing it's doors and I don't believe there is a reason beyond what was happening between management and the Union that Hostess should be closing down.
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What a Zinger of a news story. Looks like some Ding Dongs ruined it for a lotta people. It's no Wonder things Sno-Balled like they did. The CEOs are laughing and Ho-Hoing it all the way to the bank. Donette ver forget Unions are a bad deal.

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What a Zinger of a news story. Looks like some Ding Dongs ruined it for a lotta people. It's no Wonder things Sno-Balled like they did. The CEOs are laughing and Ho-Hoing it all the way to the bank. Donette ver forget Unions are a bad deal.

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Old 11-17-2012   #29
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BTW a 3 dollar box of Twinkies is going for around 30 or 40 bucks or even higher on ebay right now.
The several stores i visited earlier today were all sold out of Hostess products.
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See, the problem is you get employers like Walmart who don't give a crap and will lie to their employees to rob them of their deserved monies.
Deserved according to who?
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